R36 BBK options

**Jakeys** · 10-04-2015, 09:39 PM

Fair enough, I haven't experienced them, it just seems to me a bad allocation of resources for a road car. Track, sure, road... eh.

And the retainer springs are hardly wankery, they're standard on all R's and most Audi S/RS's now. The R36 front brakes do have some just metal instead of black with log.

**brad** · 11-04-2015, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Jakeys

Fair enough, I haven't experienced them, it just seems to me a bad allocation of resources for a road car. Track, sure, road... eh.

And the retainer springs are hardly wankery, they're standard on all R's and most Audi S/RS's now. The R36 front brakes do have some just metal instead of black with log.

For the money - what difference do they make in the driving? I can't understand the attraction of a spring with a piece of metal attached that only has aesthetic value. VW must have been laughing their heads off with the profit margin on those things.

If you applied your logic of "this is adequate, therefore why would you want better" then you wouldn't buy an R36 in the first place. You'd just buy a standard Passat.

Nobody in my family understands why I get new wheels every time I change tyres or why I've changed or upgraded a dozen other items on my car. My reply is "I do it because I can and am willing to try new things & you can't & won't take a risk".

**Timlin** · 11-04-2015, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by brad

For the money - what difference do they make in the driving? I can't understand the attraction of a spring with a piece of metal attached that only has aesthetic value. VW must have been laughing their heads off with the profit margin on those things.

If you applied your logic of "this is adequate, therefore why would you want better" then you wouldn't buy an R36 in the first place. You'd just buy a standard Passat.

Nobody in my family understands why I get new wheels every time I change tyres or why I've changed or upgraded a dozen other items on my car. My reply is "I do it because I can and am willing to try new things & you can't & won't take a risk".

Touche!!!

Exactly what I'm trying to say. There is no logical reason for any of the mods we do on our cars - in fact the R36 itself is completely irrational as a means of transport only.

If the sole motive of buying a car to transport oneself to and from point A to point B, then a Smart car will fulfill that just as well...

Objective criticism on pure aesthetic points are fine, but to suggest one is wasting "their" money/resources on say, a BBK or nice new wheels, coilovers etc is just one opinion against another. If you don't like what someone else has done/is doing to their car and you can't rationalize those same costs on your own car, then don't do them and move on to another thread - easy!!

Also, for what its worth, intelligent, worthwhile and constructive criticism comes when one has direct experience with what one is criticizing, if there's no direct experience or interaction with whatever you're criticizing, then its only an opinion, and opinions are like a**eholes, we've all got'em!!

Enjoy the "R" brake retainers, I had them myself before I got the BBK, and they look just fine IMHO, but from an aesthetic point of view, putting one against the other, I'd suggest the the BBK's "looks" better and more purposeful than the "R" brake retainers... but, that's just MY opinion!

Rgd's

Andrew

**Jakeys** · 11-04-2015, 07:05 PM

EDIT: Actually, retracted. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the BBK, I can afford it but don't see the point personally but we're all entitled to our opinions. This is not worth an argument.

**Elmura** · 24-04-2015, 11:18 AM

There's a bit of ego in some of these responses. Jakey & I never criticised anybody. To bring affordability into it & criticising for choosing to improve the calliper appearance is hypocritical.
I do many mods, and do it myself for the love of it. Obviously it's not financially rewarding, but value for money comes into it. I won't spend $6k on an imported exhaust but I will do mods to it for max reward. I still have to consider that one day I'll move it on

**Timlin** · 15-05-2015, 10:51 AM

Um, well, I disagree with you. There's no ego in any of my responses, just stating the facts from a point of view of someone who actually has the VWR-BBK and has also had the OEM brakes and who can compare one package with the other - however, criticizing something that you've never owned/tried/used is just, well, pointless as you have no facts, just unfounded and baseless opinions - and that's fine as long as you're not stating these opinions as "facts".

Regarding affordability - how is this either offensive or egotistical? One may simply "choose" not to afford them... I make no statement on anyone's socioeconomic status here! There is no argument in this thread from what I see/read, just some facts and then some unfounded opinions - that's it.

Rgd's

AT

Originally Posted by Elmura

There's a bit of ego in some of these responses. Jakey & I never criticised anybody. To bring affordability into it & criticising for choosing to improve the calliper appearance is hypocritical.
I do many mods, and do it myself for the love of it. Obviously it's not financially rewarding, but value for money comes into it. I won't spend $6k on an imported exhaust but I will do mods to it for max reward. I still have to consider that one day I'll move it on

**brad** · 15-05-2015, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Timlin

Regarding affordability - how is this either offensive or egotistical? One may simply "choose" not to afford them... I make no statement on anyone's socioeconomic status here! There is no argument in this thread from what I see/read, just some facts and then some unfounded opinions - that's it.

I believe he was referring to my statement that the aesthetic caliper covers were expensive & did nothing for braking performance.

**Jakeys** · 15-05-2015, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Timlin

Um, well, I disagree with you. There's no ego in any of my responses, just stating the facts from a point of view of someone who actually has the VWR-BBK and has also had the OEM brakes and who can compare one package with the other - however, criticizing something that you've never owned/tried/used is just, well, pointless as you have no facts, just unfounded and baseless opinions - and that's fine as long as you're not stating these opinions as "facts".

Regarding affordability - how is this either offensive or egotistical? One may simply "choose" not to afford them... I make no statement on anyone's socioeconomic status here! There is no argument in this thread from what I see/read, just some facts and then some unfounded opinions - that's it.

Rgd's

AT

There is a distinct difference between an opinion and a fact. If I say I don't think they're worth the cost, that's an opinion, that I am entitled to. It is fully founded. If I say "BBK's do not perform better than stock" that's a fact and that can be unfounded and inaccurate, and you'd be right to take up arms over it. But I never said that, I simply just said I think that they are too expensive for a daily and the benefit isn't worth it. You clearly think otherwise, that's fine, I have no issue with that, I never criticised you, but it's a public forum, my comment is fully valid.

I'm not suggesting you should sell your BBK, you're clearly very happy with them. But this is a forum and I stand by what I said, which was just a perfectly valid opinion, equally as valid as your suggestion that the OEM retainers are not worth the money. Nobody has said anything unfounded here.

Also, regarding "never owned/tried/used" as being a requirement for being able to comment is ridiculous. I don't need to try the BBK to know I don't want them. This came up when I debunked the Sprintbooster as not doing anything for performance, people were saying "You don't know until you've tried it" even though the theory behind it was well understood, then I did try it, debunked it in VCDS as a total placebo, my opinion beforehand was no less valid.

**Timlin** · 15-05-2015, 04:32 PM

Whatever...

**XXX-1.8T** · 19-05-2015, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jakeys

There is a distinct difference between an opinion and a fact. If I say I don't think they're worth the cost, that's an opinion, that I am entitled to. It is fully founded. If I say "BBK's do not perform better than stock" that's a fact and that can be unfounded and inaccurate, and you'd be right to take up arms over it. But I never said that, I simply just said I think that they are too expensive for a daily and the benefit isn't worth it. You clearly think otherwise, that's fine, I have no issue with that, I never criticised you, but it's a public forum, my comment is fully valid.

I'm not suggesting you should sell your BBK, you're clearly very happy with them. But this is a forum and I stand by what I said, which was just a perfectly valid opinion, equally as valid as your suggestion that the OEM retainers are not worth the money. Nobody has said anything unfounded here.

Also, regarding "never owned/tried/used" as being a requirement for being able to comment is ridiculous. I don't need to try the BBK to know I don't want them. This came up when I debunked the Sprintbooster as not doing anything for performance, people were saying "You don't know until you've tried it" even though the theory behind it was well understood, then I did try it, debunked it in VCDS as a total placebo, my opinion beforehand was no less valid.

So with VCDS what did you debunk exactly.

i find this interesting

Is there a way of adjusting the reaction time of the throttle with VCDS?