Tuning with Warranty Protection

[cstb_87]

Finance Analyst, the first 6 words in your original post are not necessarily true...... as Candyman has said this has been widely discussed before.....
The dealer has to "prove" any warrantable claim was caused by the tune.
There are some good links on this site about this.

Thanks Creniac, can you point me in the general direction of these discussions, just don't want to be looking all over the forum?

Cheers

[Finance_Analyst]

Finance Analyst, the first 6 words in your original post are not necessarily true...... as Candyman has said this has been widely discussed before.....
The dealer has to "prove" any warrantable claim was caused by the tune.
There are some good links on this site about this.

I see.... I was always under the impression that one the ECU is turned back to stock mode via the cruise and locked out using the security lockout function, no one could tell it was flashed. This is because APR (from what I was told) is the only company out there which does not physically record on the ECU how many times it has been flashed (the counter is always at 0). I have been told from some dealers that they cannot detect it, so too some Audi and Porsche dealers....

Here is a link from APR which states similar

http://www.goapr.com.au/support/chip_tuning_faqs.html

[Tim]

Won't my dealer know that my car is chipped?

Not unless he is specifically looking for it. All APR chips are undetectable to a dealers VAG diagnostic scan tool. The only way they will know that the car is chipped is if the physically open up the ECU itself (which they have no reason to), or drive the car (it makes that big a difference).

If VW Australia get involved in a warranty claim sometimes things can be investigated a bit closer. Dont assume that Volkswagen will replace an engine for example without looking a bit closer. Unless of course you have a twin charged engine that is

Likewise, the dealer cannot "flash" reprogram an APR chip, so you need not be worried about losing your precious investment.

If a dealer cant flash over the ECU then surely this would cause alarm bells to start ringing

[Candyman]

The checksum can supposedly be altered by some tunes (even that has been debated) but more info is kept in logfiles in a reserved area of the ECU that can not be changed by off the shelf tunes

Upshot is that tunes are detectable but it all depends on how the dealer and VW decide to approach things as to how much investigation is done.

[cstb_87]

This isn't sounding too good . Bugger

[Finance_Analyst]

This isn't sounding too good . Bugger

Given how many tunes there are out there and all, I think a lot of dealers turn a blind eye to it or have no idea what is really going on.

[cstb_87]

VW Camberwell seem like nobs so I'm not sure how much I can get away with.

[Finance_Analyst]

VW Camberwell seem like nobs so I'm not sure how much I can get away with.

nobs because they know what they are doing, or because they are totally clueless?

[Candyman]

Dealers turn a blind eye until something goes wrong

Even then, unless it is a massive issue or you don't have a good relationship with them, most will still help out

[cstb_87]

Nobs as in it is always about money with them.

I'll look into APR and see what they produce with the stage 2.

Cheers guys