Tuning software

[WhO]

Ahh **** i meant EDL! too many acronyms lol! Is the ABS / ESP system a seperate computer or is it all through the me7.1? Let me know what you find, loosing esp would be my biggest concern otherwise it sounds like a pretty good option!

[Lonewolf1983]

Doesnt have EDL (electronic diff lock?)
ABS is completely seperate, ESP is likely tied into the ECU somewhere, not sure if it will stay, depends how it activates.

Normal traction control just closes the throttle, so that wouldnt work, but if may brake individual wheels which should remain active.
And then have the Vipec run its own independant traction control via fuel/ignition cut.

[parso_rex]

It looks like we will be doing a couple of modifed Audi's soon. I'm going to push for an Autronic SM4 ECU used in conjunction with the Factory ECU as these are DBC and pre 2001 so it should be fairly painless plus we can go nuts with water-meth, boost control options and other I/O. Oh and my favourite - real time tuning. Its only planning stage atm but I'll let you know what issues arise as it might have some relevance to your beast

Mark

[WhO]

Hey blake, i might have found another option for us to tune with using the stock ECU.

Eurodyne a canadian tuning company offer an end user software tuning package callsed "Maestro 7" which apparently gives us the capability to completely remap the ecu's in our cars. From what i've read on some websites re-selling it, it should now be capable of remapping the m7.1 and i'm just waiting to hear back from Eurodyne regarding compatability.

Eurodyne i believe also offer vr6 turbo maps as kineticmotorsport state they use a eurodyne tune with their turbo conversion package. Once i've confirmed/disproved that Eurodyne's software will tune the m7.1 i'll see if i cant get some more info from them to see if their vr6 turbo maps will suit ADM vehicles. From when i was speaking with C2 a few years back (when i was originally going to go turbo before i bought the GTR) i believe one of the sticking points was that here we used the more advanced 2 bank 02 control (ie 2 02 sensors in each bank of 3 cylinders) which the 2.8L 24v vr6's in the states didn't use. Jeff did however tell me that if i were to send him my ecu he should be able to work it out. Now that a bit more times passed hopefully they'd have figured it out a bit more! Moreso hopefully Eurodyne have suitable base maps so that we can just re-flash with a turbo map then using the Maestro 7 sofware fine-tune to suit local conditions.

Like you i've also been looking at getting another ECU but have also found a problem there to because of the immobiliser 3 that our cars have. Essentially to make the ecu work in the car you need the SKC code of both your current ecu which shouldn't be too hard to get because apparently you can use vag tacho to pull it but you also need the SKC code of the new (used) ecu your putting in. Problem is to get the SKC of the used ecu you need to have it either in the old car or matched with the old cars cluster so you can vag-tacho it and get it out. I'm waiting for a reply on vwvortex regarding defeating this but possibly the only way might be to disable the immobiliser by editing the code in the eeprom that controls the immobiliser, not too hard just another pain in the ass.

Tuning VW's hey... what a head****, at least with the the pulsars we had the option of piggyback ecu's or simple remapping, ahhh welll!

[parso_rex]

Theres a place in Sydney that looks like they'll be trying the Maestro Option soon because supposedly they already have a few big turbo files available which can save you an awful lot of time compared to starting from scratch. I'll be following it closely to see how well it compares with my stuff but it looks good for the cars up to the ye olde' ME7.1 or so . The thing I find being a possible issue is pretty much what you've mentioned above i.e our ECU's and their specific map locations and checksums and so on and then the physical hardware differences.
The immobiliser issue is another thing although if the cars are stock its not too hard with Vag tacho and VCDS. If they've already had APR/Revo/Unitronic on there then their 'tune protection' also overwrites the eeprom as well and then your in for a world of hurt. Delete the modifed map and replace it with a stock or tuned file and you car won't start LOL unless you can find the stock eeprom files for that ECU Hw/SW combo or your prepared to lose the immobiliser - poor form IMO.
Yes Fun Euro quirks FTL

[WhO]

You might be able to tell me Mark, regarding the immobiliser issue

(copy from my thread on vwvortex)
from what i've read on Ross-tech the immobiliser (Immo 3) wont let a new used ecu (ECU#2) just plug in and run as it needs to be coded to the car. However if i understand the instructions correctly i need both the 7digit SKC from both the Current ecu (ECU#1) in the car and the SKC from ECU#2 i'm intending on putting into the car.

Thus the problem, the ECU i'm looking at purchasing is from a wreckers and as such has no car attached to it anymore and no way to pull the SKC that i know of. Does this mean that this ECU is effectively useless for me and essentially anybody that might purchase it?

Another issue i've found on ross - tech:

How does the 7 digit PIN/SKC work?

Check this page for the 7-digit PIN/SKC dialog in VAG-COM:

Ross-Tech: VAG-COM Tour: 7-digit PIN/SKC

You must enter the following information:

7-digit SKC that the dealer retrieved for your exact Immobilizer ID Number.

Date on which the 7-digit SKC was RETRIEVED BY THE DEALER.

Workshop Code (WSC) for the dealer that retrieved the SKC.

Importer Number for the dealer that retrieved the SKC.

The 7-digit SKC is useless without the other three items.

Does this mean that effectivally unless you can get all of these 4 pieces of information for both of the ecu's then the new used ecu is useless unless the immobiliser is disabled? Is there any way to do this without the car, ie if i just plug in the new used ecu can Vag Tacho pull the required 4 pieces of information from the new ecu?

Arghhh damnn VW and making things difficult i now remember why i gave up on boosting the vr6 the first time and just bought a GTR instead! This time i'm more determined though!

[Lonewolf1983]

I queried eurodyne about the maestro software a while ago, apparently the VR6 version was still in development.
I also dont know if it has the ability to scale enough for a turbo conversion as he mentioned he was only working on N/A for it...

The immobiliser issue does worry me also...
I have contacted both C2 and Unitronic to see what the options are, I am considering shipping my ECU to them to put an n/a cam flash on for now. if it goes well I guess I know that its going to be suitable for upgrading to a F/I tune down the track...

[parso_rex]

You might be able to tell me Mark, regarding the immobiliser issue
(copy from my thread on vwvortex)
from what i've read on Ross-tech the immobiliser (Immo 3) wont let a new used ecu (ECU#2) just plug in and run as it needs to be coded to the car. However if i understand the instructions correctly i need both the 7digit SKC from both the Current ecu (ECU#1) in the car and the SKC from ECU#2 i'm intending on putting into the car.

Thus the problem, the ECU i'm looking at purchasing is from a wreckers and as such has no car attached to it anymore and no way to pull the SKC that i know of. Does this mean that this ECU is effectively useless for me and essentially anybody that might purchase it?
Does this mean that effectivally unless you can get all of these 4 pieces of information for both of the ecu's then the new used ecu is useless unless the immobiliser is disabled? Is there any way to do this without the car, ie if i just plug in the new used ecu can Vag Tacho pull the required 4 pieces of information from the new ecu?

Arghhh damnn VW and making things difficult i now remember why i gave up on boosting the vr6 the first time and just bought a GTR instead! This time i'm more determined though!

You should only need to do the one and then mate the other ones to suit - I would think and thats if you can get the SKC out of it ... I say think because I haven't had to do much of it up till now. Its such a waste of everyones time too
One car I was looking at last week had ECU info from two types of ECU. WTF is that about, I do know actually but its just dodgy.

Edit: you might want to pop Maverick a PM, I'm sure he'd know a fair bit about this stuff

[Lonewolf1983]

C2 has confirmed that they can flash my ECU...
Tempted to send over for a high flow cat / cam tune, and if all good means I can ship it back one day for turbo software

[WhO]

Thats excellent news! I havent heard back from eurodyne as yet so pending however long it takes for me to get my turbo stuff together i might just get C2 to do my ecu as well seemings as i will be ordering a few things from them anyway. Plus as a bonus getting a tune from them will be about half that of getting a tuner here locally to retune my ecu although obviously there are advantages of getting it done locally. Anyway before i can make any solid plans i need to get back to Aust first!