Stage 3 questions

[Heavy]

Check out Underground Performance for tuning. I think they are Melbourne based, you can find em on facebook. I'm sure it's a member on here, but who exactly it is evades me at the moment. They do custom tuning, so run whatever you like.

Not sure what Custom Code's capability. Worth a msg to Gavin, H100vw.

Hey mate thanks for the heads up. Yeah I know of those guys. I don't believe it's custom though. I have been told they use a preset tune from Vag motorsports and then customise some variables. I looked into it before I went APR. When I think of custom I think of hours of dyno time remapping the Ecu to achieve the most efficient delivery of air and fuel.

Sitting in old mates car on the side of the road with a laptop altering a preloaded tune is not something I would be chasing when dropping 10k on a quality turbo big turbo kit.

Ther really isn't many people out there that do fully customised tunes for these cars and you can understand why when the likes of APR, REVO, GIAC so on have such great results.

[seangti]

Yeah, you're not wrong. I run VAGAutowerks tunes on both my polo's, daily and stage 3 track car. I was running Superchips on my daily, but after learning to read the logs, it was running way too lean for my comfort so got another tune. I came out of Subaru's, so the only way to run external tuning boxes and dyno time.

My comfort with this approach comes from logging the car and reviewing all the parameters. I'm not sure how the later model cars are logged, but the Polo/mkIV era use ME7 Logger which has a much higher resolution than VCDS offers. 20hz sampling on ME7 Vs VCDS at around 0.8hz. And you can log ~60 parameters at a time as opposed to 9.

For OBD tuning purposes, I feel that level of resolution and transparency is essential, particularly under the conditions it gets driven. Through what I know now, if you get an OBD tune it should have the logs to back it up, just like a dyno operator would provide. I'd be comfortable working with VAGAutowerks/Underground for the tuning, as once done, you can always put it on the dyno for validation, they should also discuss the logs with you as they develop the tune. Any concerns with the results, you can go back to them to tweak the tune. For my track polo, we ran 6+ tunes/logs to get it to a point of comfort. I've since had left foot braking engaged since installing a LSD, they can do torque limiting and many other things.

I've spoken with my local mechanic, he runs a large VW Golf rally team in china and builds rally/race EVO's in Brisbane. He was most impressed with the tuning and logging software.

I'll always refrain from tuning war banter, though I think they should provide greater transparency of the parameters that are changed and log the cars rather than an upload and send you away.

[Heavy]

Yeah, you're not wrong. I run VAGAutowerks tunes on both my polo's, daily and stage 3 track car. I was running Superchips on my daily, but after learning to read the logs, it was running way too lean for my comfort so got another tune. I came out of Subaru's, so the only way to run external tuning boxes and dyno time.

My comfort with this approach comes from logging the car and reviewing all the parameters. I'm not sure how the later model cars are logged, but the Polo/mkIV era use ME7 Logger which has a much higher resolution than VCDS offers. 20hz sampling on ME7 Vs VCDS at around 0.8hz. And you can log ~60 parameters at a time as opposed to 9.

For OBD tuning purposes, I feel that level of resolution and transparency is essential, particularly under the conditions it gets driven. Through what I know now, if you get an OBD tune it should have the logs to back it up, just like a dyno operator would provide. I'd be comfortable working with VAGAutowerks/Underground for the tuning, as once done, you can always put it on the dyno for validation, they should also discuss the logs with you as they develop the tune. Any concerns with the results, you can go back to them to tweak the tune. For my track polo, we ran 6+ tunes/logs to get it to a point of comfort. I've since had left foot braking engaged since installing a LSD, they can do torque limiting and many other things.

I've spoken with my local mechanic, he runs a large VW Golf rally team in china and builds rally/race EVO's in Brisbane. He was most impressed with the tuning and logging software.

I'll always refrain from tuning war banter, though I think they should provide greater transparency of the parameters that are changed and log the cars rather than an upload and send you away.

Great info mate thanks heaps!!

I have never logged my cars, might have to start experimenting.

[parso_rex]

I think you guys need to look around a bit more
There are really only two places in Aus that modify files for the VAG's locally and that would be Ben and myself. There's also a few more turbo options around now too. (I'll get some pics), still location is the OP's problem so he may be stuck with APR.

Also worth noting, you don't need clutch packs for a Stage 3 Cars with a 2867GTX or less if you know what to do with the DSG software infact we'll soon see how the stock clutches handle a 3076GTX - they've been fine up till now
I'm re-tuning an APR stage 3 car in Perth shortly so it will be good to see how we go on the normal customer file.

[Heavy]

PM'd you mate!