Braided brake lines

[No457 Snowy]

Cool, now we all know where to get the braided lines and that they only need an ADR-7 logo and don't need an engineers certificate (Wondering why NSW MTA guidelines states they do need one if they were not standard options from the factory) and that Holden's are as good as BMW's.

Sorry to say VWW's value is very rapidly diminishing for me.

Snowy

[Oneofthegreats]

My info comes directly from a close engineer & a brake mob who custom built all my brakes for my truck.

If what you say is right,

Then whenever you buy ay a OEM replacement hose, cause they're not available or no longer being manufacturered, then your car has to be engineered?

So if I need a replacement hose on my mk1, take it to place to have a new one or buy a OEM replacement one from say HSY or ASV, I have to have i engineered?

What about all the other mod's who sell brake ADR approved hoses like rare spares & such.

Does that mean because my dirty old holden has a sweaty brake hose & need's to be replaced, it need's to be engineered for one hose?

If that's the case also, why can all these part's places sell "so called" illegal equipment then which could be a safety concern.

That's why they have ADR's (Australian Design Rules) so these company's/manufacturer's have standard's to build to.



Back onto the ever continuing Aust. v Euro, people think cause it's a BMW, Merc or VW they're the best. Have you ever seen or driven a base model say 5 series, with no air con, p/steering, no fast glass etc. Yeh real nice!

Why people think they're so good is because they see the best they have to offer. For instance. Aust. has the high level spec BMW's in the world.

Would you buy a base model 5 series with nothing in it for the price of say a new VE SS or Statesman? I know I wouldn't.

My statement about aussie car's & euro car's comes from seeing the best of both & that both ford & holden are basically on the same playing field's, especially how far the Aust. manufacturer's have come in the last say 7 year's, as they now share nearly identical suspension & chassis technology.

I remember when I was with BMW, Ford would come in & buy all sort's of suspension & chassis part's & fit them to the then in testing BA. I seen a BA with a full E65 (latest 7 series) front & rear suspension setup incl. the subframes.

But what would I know. I only work on the bloody thing's.

[schoona]

OF course their is always going to be superiority debates. Every manufcturer advertises as "european designed". The Nissan GTR was built to nail the 911 arount the Ring. A euro track. They have the heritage (a larger one) then we do.

Holdens aren't all aussie anymore, shipping in daewoo cars etc. The V* is a chev. Just proves cars are a gloabal commodity. Andi f the local spec cars werent good enough, why would they be exported to the UK/States.

No, I don't think I would buy one ever. Yes, they lend themselves to good jokes. Yes our motoing press is biased. But they are actually good cars. If the LCT was lowered and brought the "high end" stuff down from the "high end", GMH/Ford weould have to try even harder to match the Beemer/Merc/Audi/VW...

Its all badge, but who cares. My badge tells me I dont have a VL like half the P platers around here. Im different. Holden and Ford will never shake the badge snobbery bug.

Back on topic, lines and fluid would improve feel. Rotors help with heat dissipation. A grippy pad backed by more pistons will get you better stopping pwer. No?

[Peter Jones]

I don't care which brand of car is "better".

I prefer Volkswagens based on some irrational, unjustifiable love of the damn things.

Pete

[No457 Snowy]

My info comes directly from a close engineer & a brake mob who custom built all my brakes for my truck.

If what you say is right,

Did you read my post? It's not me saying it! It's a direct cut and paste from the NSW RTA advisory guidelines. Don't twist my words around to fit your own argumentive posts! The original poster wanted to know about braided lines so I'm giving them some info they may not be aware of, straight from the NSW RTA's advice guidelines. They are not my words

When brakes are upgraded using components or systems which were not standard options for the
vehicle, an engineering certificate is necessary to attest to the adequacy of the new system, eg: hydraulic fluid sufficiency,
balanced braking on all wheels, brake pedal pressure limitations and braking performance.


As for the parts issue you raise, the RTA says any "upgraded" components. Clearly, changing from standard brake hoses to braided ones is an upgrade and the guideline goes on to say that it NEEDS an engineering certificate. (why don't they just say if it has ADR approval, the part is OK? Because they want to make sure the system as a whole is not compromised by using an otherwise ADR compliant part in an innapropriate application).

But what would I know. I only work on the bloody thing's.

The automotive industry is full of people who work on cars and wouldn't know their arse from their elbow.

Snowy

[Oneofthegreats]

The automotive industry is full of people who work on cars and wouldn't know their arse from their elbow.

Snowy

I've just been owned.

Thankyou

[Peter Jones]

meh. I'll take braided hoses, ADR or otherwise over 30 year old split, perished and ballooned ADR approved OEM rubber ones.

I also like my brake pads without asbestos thanks.

Pete

[425i]

I think the message is in the fine print so to speak.
I beleive that RTA quote is relevant to a re engineering of the brake system.
Pickup a copy of crusin magazine or Australian hot rod magazine and read the brake specs on any car in there.
i.e gemini booster with ford F100 master cylinder Front Hq disks on Chrslyer stubs with Volvo 4 piston calipers Back Ford XY disks with hyundai floating calipers etc etc
These systems need engineers certificates which they get.
Replacing consumables such as brake pads , brake lines or brake fluid would I believe fall under a different catogorie. Hence the ADR 7 stamp on approved items.
Nick

[Gigitt]

425i is right.

If you upgrade you brakes with aftermarket or parts from a different car make or car manufacturer then yes all the bits that make the car safe have to work together. Some thing you cannot eyeball!

So what it they are Porsche calipers on your VR6 - if they are not connected to the wheel with the correct carier you are weakening the braking system.

Upgrading your Mk3 GL to VR6 calipers should not be an issue - but a Mk3 with R32 calipers needs an engineering certificate.

More so when adding Alcon or Brembo 6 or 8 pot calipers as you may also need to upgrade the system with a larger master cylinder.