Braided brake lines

[Manaz]

I'm planning on putting braided lines on the Bora when the R32 brakes go on.

The R32 brakes will be interesting - they were an option on the Golf, but not the Bora, so I'd probably need them engineered (but again, I don't plan like driving like an idiot, and I doubt I'd ever get pulled up on them).

[Treza360]

When I replaced the front rotors etc on my car I looked into doing braded brake line. Remember to have any real effect you're going to need to do the whole system and not just the lines from callipers. Also make sure the lines are ADR approved and yes you will most likely need them engineered.

When I was investigating the option, I heard the story of a guy with an R32 Skyline who had gotten braided lines from the US. These were DOT approved but not ADR approved (no plastic coating or something) and he was in an accident where someone was killed and they went over his car with a fine tooth comb found that these weren't approved and basically the last I heard he was spending a much longer time in jail for manslaughter becuase of them.

There's nothing wrong with DOT approved lines of course just that as usual backwards rules and regulations in our lovely country.

Cheers,
Trent

[Valver.]

Remember to have any real effect you're going to need to do the whole system and not just the lines from callipers.

What do you mean by this? The main sections in almost every road car are press-bent hard line, so there's no flex to be had anyway.

Replacing all the junctions at the ABS unit with braid would be messy and near on impossible to do - and there'd be no advantage anyway.

I've got full braid through one of my cars, but only because I was starting from scratch and I needed the bias controller beside the tunnel. In a newer car where the lines cannot possibly be rusted out, there's no need to go near them and nothing to be gained.

At the end of day, there's not much to be gained by replacing a foot long section in the wheel arches, but we won't start that argument!

[No457 Snowy]

he was in an accident where someone was killed and they went over his car with a fine tooth comb found that these weren't approved and basically the last I heard he was spending a much longer time in jail for manslaughter becuase of them.

That's a very good point, and it clearly illustrates that what we see as mere "technicalities" are what lawyers and insurance companies always use to avoid an insurance payment, or send us to jail in the event that things go horribly wrong.

Snowy.

[Treza360]

What do you mean by this? The main sections in almost every road car are press-bent hard line, so there's no flex to be had anyway.
Replacing all the junctions at the ABS unit with braid would be messy and near on impossible to do - and there'd be no advantage anyway.
I've got full braid through one of my cars, but only because I was starting from scratch and I needed the bias controller beside the tunnel. In a newer car where the lines cannot possibly be rusted out, there's no need to go near them and nothing to be gained.
At the end of day, there's not much to be gained by replacing a foot long section in the wheel arches, but we won't start that argument!

From what I understood, the parts you can buy from ECS, Neuspeed etc which replace the front and rear lines don't go all the way to the fluid reservoir and were thus kind of pointless.
If as you say the lines there anyway are hard pressed then it would be fine. Lack of knowledge on my part there I guess.
Cheers,
Trent

[Peter Jones]

My brake place makes ADR compliant braided hoses for me. It's not a big deal.

Better Brakes in Bayswater.(Vic)

The invoice has all the compliance details should they be required.

Braided hoses still expand, just not as much as rubber. It's best to keep the lengths to a minimum in either case.

Pete

[aliasmk2]

Daves Car is engineered anyway, so it will never get checked for stuff like that.

Its all about common sense I reckon. If its a safe mod and you dont drive like an idiot, it will never be an issue.

Thats all very good until you get a nasty cop with time on their hands & issues about modified euro cars.
But most importantly if the car is involved in a serious accident you can well & truly go to jail for a long time once any illegal mods are found on the car.
This goes for a lot of tuner products that come into the country & just get sold on without any consideration.

The legal & simple thing to do is to go to a authorised brake specialist in your state who knows the laws & conditions can make them for you.

[Dub_Star_V6]

The legal & simple thing to do is to go to a authorised brake specialist in your state who knows the laws & conditions can make them for you.

QFT

Do your homework, as insurance companies love this kind of stuff.

[Manaz]

But most importantly if the car is involved in a serious accident you can well & truly go to jail for a long time once any illegal mods are found on the car.

Not that I wish to make light of this point (it's serious, I have decided I *will* be getting my brake upgrade engineered), but surely this would only be the case if it was found that the illegal modification had contributed to the accident - I doubt they'd throw you in the slammer if you had an accident and they found later your exhaust didn't have a catalytic converter for instance!

[aliasmk2]

Stranger things have happened.
I am just saying that there is a real chance that something simple can lead to something much more complicated.