APR ECU Upgrade MK6 Golf - Customer perspective

[Corey_R]

Yes but 20% more power does not mean 20% more accelerating data.

You can do all the maths you want, but one of our own forum members has already shown an increase of 1 second from JUST a tune on the Golf R. From the stock Golf R DSG time of 5.7sec to 4.68 second from simply having the APR Stage I ECU. We've also had hundreds of members over the past 4 years who've done the ECU tunes on their GTI's (both Polo and Golf), and whilst they haven't posted photos of the times in any threads I can recall recently, there are plenty of people who in the past posted times (inc Quarter mile times) if you search back through the forums (especially MKV Golf and MKIV Polo owners).

No point hypothesising with maths about how we're wrong when it's already been proven on many many times at the track with the proper timing gear.

I do have my doubts on the 5 sec flat GTI with just a tune.

Yeah, 5 seconds flat would be very difficult...

[Sharkie]

Ps I'm sorry but I'm an old school modder and find it very hard to believe a tune alone, could give more than 0.5 secs off a 0-100 time.

0.5 sec is a lot!! I know a tune, or a TBE feels like heaaaaps and it is a good mod no doubt, but the difference between an older WRX and an STI was a bout a sec or less and they were completely different cars, and fared differently on the quarter too.

0.5 sec on a 0-100 run could equate to more than that on a quarter mile run.

You can't grab a sec or more from a tune alone, especially on a FWD.

Sorry I can't believe it, but wiling to eat my words.

Start eating .....

It really depends on the car and what the tuners have to start with. Some are more receptive to power gains from just a chip than others .

Mk5 Polo GTIs pick up 38% in KW and 49% torque with the APR chip alone. Stock quartermile of 16.8s drops to 14.2s in the hands of a good driver and 13.9s (thats 3 seconds faster) in the hands of a great driver. Slips have been posted on this very forum.

Stg 2 Polo GTIs (Mk5s) do 80-120 in 3.2s and drops STIs and MPS's quite easily once moving ..... something about 350NM+ and 1100kg .... the Polo's however have huge problems launching as the FWD's struggle to cope with that power output.

0-100km/h improves (for stg 1) from 8.2s to 6.2s .... a whole 2s just from a chip. Tested a 5.7s personally in my own Stg 2 using a G-Tech Pro SS (same as Fabs)

[brad]

Ps I'm sorry but I'm an old school modder and find it very hard to believe a tune alone, could give more than 0.5 secs off a 0-100 time.

0.5 sec is a lot!! I know a tune, or a TBE feels like heaaaaps and it is a good mod no doubt, but the difference between an older WRX and an STI was a bout a sec or less and they were completely different cars, and fared differently on the quarter too.

0.5 sec on a 0-100 run could equate to more than that on a quarter mile run.

You can't grab a sec or more from a tune alone, especially on a FWD.

My non-APR tune gave me a 2 second improvement on my 3rd gear 40-120. 80-120 was just under 4.5secs. I have no idea how that equates to 0-100 but hope that shows that significant, measurable increases are possible.

40-120 in 3rd gear. 40kmh is just off boost at just on 1500rpm (didn't really look).
Before: 10.99 / 10.92 / 10.96 - call it 10.95?
After : 8.82 / 8.80(det)/ 9.02 - call it 8.95?
~2 seconds/ 18% reduction

[REXman]

You can do all the maths you want, but one of our own forum members has already shown an increase of 1 second from JUST a tune on the Golf R. From the stock Golf R DSG time of 5.7sec to 4.68 second from simply having the APR Stage I ECU.

Yeah, 5 seconds flat would be very difficult...

Yes but that is a GOLF R. Its AWD and 0-100 like AWD. Its NOT A GTI or FWD that is what I am talking about.


Im fully aware of other cars performance, a GTR R33 for example with just a TBE and Tune will net 400HP. Amazing returns.

But taking a 150kw Fwd to a 190kw FWD will never yield a 1.0-2 sec increase 0-100. EVER.

Its just not possible. I know its not, If you think your chipped GTI can run in the 5 sec bracket, that is great. Just dont run a 5 sec M3 thinking you have a chance..

Guys Im not hating on the tunes.. I love the tunes.. I have nearly always had fully custom tuning done on all my cars.. They yield great results, Im not denying that.

But please dont think a tune can take your car from nice hatch to ferrari with a tune!!

[Sharkie]

But taking a 150kw Fwd to a 190kw FWD will never yield a 1.0-2 sec increase 0-100. EVER.

Maybe not in a MK6 Golf GTI, but most definately so in a MK5 Polo GTI .... going from 110kw to 152kw will net you a 2s 0-100 increase .... every time ... ... and that is FWD

Personally I agree, I don't believe a MK6 Golf GTI with a chip only will do better than 5.5s (DSG or manual), having driven them, but close to that certainly and that is a good 1.5s improvement, which is a great return for the money spent.

[Corey_R]

Personally I agree, I don't believe a MK6 Golf GTI with a chip only will do better than 5.5s (DSG or manual), having driven them, but close to that certainly and that is a good 1.5s improvement, which is a great return for the money spent.

Exactly, I'm not sure that the Golf GTI will do a 5 second flat, but I know it will do a 5.5 second, which is still a 1.4 second improvement. REXman can use bold all he wants, but he's arguing against things that we've all already experienced first hand with our own eyes in real life.

[Corey_R]

Personally I agree, I don't believe a MK6 Golf GTI with a chip only will do better than 5.5s (DSG or manual), having driven them, but close to that certainly and that is a good 1.5s improvement, which is a great return for the money spent.

Exactly, I'm not sure that the Golf GTI will do a 5 second flat, but I know it will do a 5.5 second, which is still a 1.4 second improvement. REXman can use bold and caps all he wants, but he's arguing against things that many of us have already experienced first hand with our own eyes in real life.

[G-rig]

Yes but that is a GOLF R. Its AWD and 0-100 like AWD. Its NOT A GTI or FWD that is what I am talking about.

0.5-1.0s gain on a GTI isn't that hard to believe, there may be more loss of traction but there is also an additional ~10% drivetrain loss to the extra power you are giving the R as well, so you don't get as much extra power that you are paying for.

Guy also already linked a video showing 5.51..

[Guy_H]

I just had a DSG 2.0 cut 2 seconds off it's 0-100 time.

It happened to be a Transporter 2.0 Bi Turbo 7 speed DSG, but that was still a good number (See transporter section!)

[Capercat]

2 seconds is impressive in fast talk.