VIM for Discover Pro MIB1. Anyone in Brisbane with VCP Cable?

**33ASY** · 02-03-2016, 06:40 AM

Hey Guys...
Im in Brisbane and was wondering if anyone has a VAG CAN Pro cable and/or has done a VIM on their Golf MK7.

I'm keen to get it enabled and the cables seem to be about $300AU for something I'd only need once.

Thanks

**Guest001** · 02-03-2016, 08:13 AM

Why do you want it as its illegal to have video going when moving and visible to the driver.

Works on mine and only time I used it was to try it and I listened to the music and turned the picture off

**Mattlock** · 02-03-2016, 10:33 AM

Insurance companies have become wise to this and in an accident they will access the ECU to see if VIM is enabled. If they find it, they will invalidate your insurance on the spot.

(A mate's dad is an ex-forensic traffic cop turned vehicle insurance assessor and he looks for it every time).

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**Guest001** · 02-03-2016, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mattlock

Insurance companies have become wise to this and in an accident they will access the ECU to see if VIM is enabled. If they find it, they will invalidate your insurance on the spot.

(A mate's dad is an ex-forensic traffic cop turned vehicle insurance assessor and he looks for it every time).

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It would need to have a DVD in it though or it wouldnt contribute to an accident.

Like having a rifle in the car. Is illegal but you werent using it.

**Mattlock** · 02-03-2016, 12:53 PM

I disagree. These devices can play files on SD cards, plus content from your phone. They will argue that it had been intentionally disabled and therefore it could have been in use at the time.

Same way they would investigate your phone records to see if you were texting or talking at the time of the accident.

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**33ASY** · 02-03-2016, 01:02 PM

Some cars lock up the entire head unit while driving so you cant enter addresses or anything while moving. That all works on the VW models. I imagine they'd need to prove you were doing something illegal like watching it in order to invalidate an insurance premium you've been paying for. You could have a phone on you and not be texting, tho texting while driving is illegal. Regardless of the legality of it, my question still remains. I'm interested in doing it, if I have an at fault accident while driving and the assessor gets a hold of the car ECU and checks the required flags for my model to see if VIM is enabled in a Mk7 Golf with Discover Pro and whether or not it was like that from factory (eg I bought a Discover Pro aftermarket, my car came with the RN838 or wahtever). I don't think they'd have much luck. Worst case scenario, I could change it back before I send my car to the assessors but this all seems very far fetched a scenario. Its hard enough trying to find out what that field is to change let alone proving it was done intentionally and then proving you using it at the time of the accident.

If they could get a log of what you watched on the screen and could prove you were watching a video when driving by yourself then I would say yes, but MANY MANY MANY after market head units allow you do all manner of things while driving. Are you telling me that insurance won't cover any of those cars?

**Guest001** · 02-03-2016, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by 33ASY

Some cars lock up the entire head unit while driving so you cant enter addresses or anything while moving. That all works on the VW models. I imagine they'd need to prove you were doing something illegal like watching it in order to invalidate an insurance premium you've been paying for. You could have a phone on you and not be texting, tho texting while driving is illegal. Regardless of the legality of it, my question still remains. I'm interested in doing it, if I have an at fault accident while driving and the assessor gets a hold of the car ECU and checks the required flags for my model to see if VIM is enabled in a Mk7 Golf with Discover Pro and whether or not it was like that from factory (eg I bought a Discover Pro aftermarket, my car came with the RN838 or wahtever). I don't think they'd have much luck. Worst case scenario, I could change it back before I send my car to the assessors but this all seems very far fetched a scenario. Its hard enough trying to find out what that field is to change let alone proving it was done intentionally and then proving you using it at the time of the accident.

If they could get a log of what you watched on the screen and could prove you were watching a video when driving by yourself then I would say yes, but MANY MANY MANY after market head units allow you do all manner of things while driving. Are you telling me that insurance won't cover any of those cars?

Not all I can enter stuff on my nav while moving. I havent tried video from an SD card but have 6000 tracks on it.

**Guest001** · 02-03-2016, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mattlock

I disagree. These devices can play files on SD cards, plus content from your phone. They will argue that it had been intentionally disabled and therefore it could have been in use at the time.

Same way they would investigate your phone records to see if you were texting or talking at the time of the accident.

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Perhaps you mean if it was intentionally ENABLED You wouldn have a problem if it was stock as its disabled and you cant instantly return it to stock especially if car is in assessors..

They have to prove that it contributed to the accident to deny a claim. Same as caravan accidents when they end up in bits in a ditch.

Maybe it was overloading but has to be proved it was the cause.

**Guest001** · 02-03-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by 33ASY

Some cars lock up the entire head unit while driving so you cant enter addresses or anything while moving. That all works on the VW models. I imagine they'd need to prove you were doing something illegal like watching it in order to invalidate an insurance premium you've been paying for. You could have a phone on you and not be texting, tho texting while driving is illegal. Regardless of the legality of it, my question still remains. I'm interested in doing it, if I have an at fault accident while driving and the assessor gets a hold of the car ECU and checks the required flags for my model to see if VIM is enabled in a Mk7 Golf with Discover Pro and whether or not it was like that from factory (eg I bought a Discover Pro aftermarket, my car came with the RN838 or wahtever). I don't think they'd have much luck. Worst case scenario, I could change it back before I send my car to the assessors but this all seems very far fetched a scenario. Its hard enough trying to find out what that field is to change let alone proving it was done intentionally and then proving you using it at the time of the accident.

If they could get a log of what you watched on the screen and could prove you were watching a video when driving by yourself then I would say yes, but MANY MANY MANY after market head units allow you do all manner of things while driving. Are you telling me that insurance won't cover any of those cars?

As I said why do you want it if you cant watch it.

**33ASY** · 02-03-2016, 04:05 PM

Australian Road Rules state the following:
http://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/...FC69ABF7D).pdf

299 Television receivers and visual display units in
motor vehicles
(1) A driver must not drive a motor vehicle that has a television receiver or visual display unit in or on the vehicle operating while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, if any part of the image on the screen:
(a) is visible to the driver from the normal driving position;
or
(b) is likely to distract another driver.
Offence provision.
Note Motor vehicle and park is defined in the dictionary, and vehicle is defined in rule 15.
(2) This rule does not apply to the driver if:
(a) the driver is driving a bus and the visual display unit is, or displays, a destination sign or other bus sign; or
(aa) the vehicle is a motor bike and the visual display unit
is, or is part of, a driver’s aid, and the driver is not
holding the visual display unit in his or her hand; or
(b) the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –
(i) is an integrated part of the vehicle design; or
(ii) is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle
while being used; or
(ba) the visual display unit is a mobile data terminal fitted to
a police vehicle or an emergency vehicle; or
Note Police vehicle and emergency vehicle are defined in the
dictionary.
(c) the driver or vehicle is exempt from this rule under
another law of this jurisdiction.
(3) For the purposes of subrule (2)(b)(ii), a visual display unit
is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle if, and only
if –
(a) the mounting is commercially designed and
manufactured for that purpose; and
(b) the unit is secured in the mounting, and the mounting is
affixed to the vehicle, in the manner intended by the
manufacturer.

This would mean having the ability to watch while driving isn't illegal, watching while driving it is. Therefore insurance couldn't do anything if it was unlocked (the ability to watch was enabled). Since its only illegal if you do it.