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Figured it out guys, however it needed a dealership's VAS to get it done. The way explained above altered the way the auto lights work, making them activate daytime running lights; however it did not turn the daytime running lights off in the 0 position. The way I have them set them up now they do not work entirely, however bulbs are still fitted and no faults are thrown.
Anyone in Victoria feel free to gimme a pm and I can let you know who can get it done.
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snail style: Just to confirm your findings (please). Are you saying that the VCDS tweak had no effect on the DRLs when the switch was in the off position (i.e. the DRLs remained on)?Originally Posted by Snail Style
Also, what happened to the DRLs when the switch was in the "auto" position (after the VCDS tweak)?
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So basically in the off position, the DRLs worked exactly the same. When in auto mode now, it makes use of DRLs instead of parkers from what I could see. Main point is that VCDS could not turn them off.
A dealer machine had a **** tonne more adaptions in it. However they were all still in german too.
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Snail Style: Many thanks for the feedback. Understanding how the VCDS cable works on a mkVII is a slow and tedious process. Very little piece of additional information is valuable. Sorry that the tweak didn't work, but it sounds like the VAS fix was successful.So basically in the off position, the DRLs worked exactly the same. When in auto mode now, it makes use of DRLs instead of parkers from what I could see. Main point is that VCDS could not turn them off.
A dealer machine had a **** tonne more adaptions in it. However they were all still in german too.
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Snail Style: Notwithstanding that my previous suggestion proved to be unsuccessful- my appology again, I've personally tried the following VCDS tweak and it works brilliantly on my mkVII. The good thing about this tweak (other than the fact that it actually works) is that I am able to select DRL on, or DRL off using the car menu display (on the Discover media head). The original material comes from the Stemie.de site.
Just a note of caution: before using the tweak, please consider Hillbilly's advice
Disable/enable Daytime Running Lights using Discover Media screen (mkVII)
The following coding is used:1 Select 09-Cent. Elect.2.Select Security Access-163. Enter Code 313474. click Do it! tab5. Select Adaptation-10
6. From pull-down channel list, select (2)-Daytime Running Lights- Tagfahrlicht Aktivierung durch BAP oder Bedienfolge möglich
7. Enter New value = active (default stored value = "not active").Click Do it! .Click Add to log to record a copy of the change report .Click Go Back and exit the VCDS software
Using the function
1. Select Car from the buttons on the side of the media screen. Then press Setup (on the bottom RHS)
2. Select Light
3. Enable the "tick" on Daytime Running Light (tick-on DRLs on, tick-off DRLs off
QED!!
Edit: In subsequent discussion following this post, Diesel_vert included further information that is pertinent for those considering this tweak (in Australia at least). It's worth reading these posts before proceeding. Below is an extract from the starting post for Diesel_vert's advice (i.e. post#17).
Last edited by DV52; 05-07-2014 at 11:50 AM.
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Might have to look into setting that up, that seems abit more handy.
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The authority for this is ADR 13/00, noting clause 8.14.1 which indicates daytime running lamp(s) are optional:
4.2. Where the fitment of a lamp is indicated as optional, this means that it is not mandatory to fit the lamp, but if fitted, the lamp(s) are required to comply with this standard.
8. Where the installation of a lamp is indicated as optional, this means that it is not mandatory to fit the lamp, but if fitted, the lamp(s) are required to comply.
Having said that, the likelihood of being discovered for deliberately disabling DRLs and subsequently having the vehicle flagged as unroadworthy, is probably almost nil, IMO.
Last edited by Diesel_vert; 22-03-2014 at 10:04 AM.
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Deisel_vert: I hope that you didn't think that I was implying that Hillbilly's advice was not correct. My apology if I gave this impression. This was certainly not my intention, but thanks for the follow-up.
The interesting thing about your extract is this: Cleary the Golf MKVII is fitted with DRLs as a standard fitting. So, at first blush it would be reasonable to believe that it is captured by ADR 13/00 (as per your quote). However, the VCDS tweak that I posted enables the driver to select that the DRLs can be either on, or off. Sure you need a VCDS cable to activate the on/off trigger mechanism. But, the tweak does nothing more than enable a facility that is there as part of the car's normal operation (i.e. The Discover Media screen for the DRLs is designed into the car). From what others have said, if I had purchased a mk6 Golf, the very same facility to turn the DRLs on/off would have been already programmed into the car from new (albeit the process to do this is different - as I understand).
So the confounder to my question is this: If the car has the on/off facility programmed into it, what is its status wrt ADR 13/00? I'm not a lawyer, so I really do not know the answer to this question. But if the answer is that the provisions of clause 8.14.1 do in fact apply, then is the mk7 and the mk6 really compliant with ADR 13/00 given that the driver can so easily breach the regulation (i.e because it is so easy to turn the DRLs on/off)? There may be some legal types in the forum that can provide their views.
Last edited by DV52; 22-03-2014 at 11:47 AM.
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No, no, I just thought I'd mention the source and provide some evidence for his statement.
As far as I can tell, there is no provision in ADR 13 which expressly prohibits manually switchable DRLs.
It's just that you're not supposed to switch DRLs off (if present) in a road-registered motor vehicle that is to be driven on the public highway.
I would argue that having the ability to make a vehicle non-compliant (in this case, turning off DRLs), while rendering the vehicle unroadworthy if carried out, has no bearing on the vehicle's compliance status.
In a hypothetical scenario, if ADR 13 expressly prohibited manually switchable DRLs, and the vehicle allowed such a function, only then would the vehicle not comply with ADR 13.
I would argue that the level of convenience in which a vehicle can be made non-compliant would also have no bearing on the vehicle's compliance status. At a point of law, I would find it surprising if the regulations made for such a provision.
Temptation is not an excuse.
In principle, irrespective of how the vehicle is made non-compliant (software or hardware) or the amount of time taken (1 sec or 1 month), the effect is still the same.
Again, if we ignore the regulations and be pragmatic, I doubt anyone will discover it, much less be penalised for it. I think you'd have to give the police a crap load of attitude before they ping you with unlit DRLs (if they don't arrest you first).
I suppose it might be different if DRLs were mandatory here, as it is currently (for new models) in Europe - but they're not.
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Just because there is a provision to turn them off doesn't make it legal. The Passat has them and I wouldn't turn them off Would much rather be seen and I think they look quite good. Amazing how hard it is to see some cars Especially grey in bad light when having DRL's on would make it visible. Enough idiots drive around at night with no headlights.
In Canada it is compulsory for all cars to have sidelights or DRl's on PERMANENTLY in daylight so be thankful you don't live there.
Also should you go for a roadworthy and the examiner is familiar with the model how are you going to explain they aren't working. FAIL LOL.
Should you have an accident and the other party says I didn't see the car but it should have had DRLs showing what will your insurance say.
Just theoretical but hopefully commonsense will apply. Why turn a safety feature off.
This was mentioned on here some time ago when someone asked a dealer to do it for them and the dealer refused for the reason I gave.
Perhaps warranty may come into it if your car is non compliant.
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