Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

**mp2811** · 26-02-2018, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by WallySimmonds

Yeah 61k was what I got offered for lease pricing on a R with all options (well, this was last year so minus the Dynaudio). The dealer my lease provider goes with wouldn't budge on price, and their Wolfie pricing was up at 68k (lol).

Those are very ave prices for sure. Maybe novated lease get better price as pretax? But I got quoted $54k for DSG with DA. Even assuming full price of dynaudio and sunroof $2900 I probably looking at $57K.

I got quoted $57k for S3 sedan and m140i in spec we wanted. I just looked up the RRP price of the S3 sedan in our spec we got is almost $78k so we got about 26% off.

I just looked up fully optioned DSG R is almost $69k, I'd think buying privately would be amazing job to get under 60. Maybe end of month and be serious about walking away I'd offer $59,995 and hand them credit card for deposit then and there and see how you go.

When I bought privately s3 sedan and the MK7R I think I got roughly 10% off. I got stock DSG and paid $55k so basically no ORC. I see than the prices have risen $3k in that time and m140i has reduced its price.

**Azguard** · 27-02-2018, 08:03 AM

So it doesn't sound like the best deal listed here but it may be of use to someone else, I paid $60,500 drive away for fully optioned DSG R Hatch(Roof, DAP, Dynaudio,metallic) MY18.5.

I didn't do finance, trade etc to keep the negotiation simple and don't have access to fleet deals so it was just me walking in off the street. I did speak to 4 dealers in melbourne and the other prices ranged from $62k to $64k drive away. I told them all if they could do it under 60 id give them a deposit on the spot.

now the wait begins...

**Dutch77** · 27-02-2018, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by mp2811

Those are very ave prices for sure. Maybe novated lease get better price as pretax? But I got quoted $54k for DSG with DA. Even assuming full price of dynaudio and sunroof $2900 I probably looking at $57K.

I got quoted $57k for S3 sedan and m140i in spec we wanted. I just looked up the RRP price of the S3 sedan in our spec we got is almost $78k so we got about 26% off.

I just looked up fully optioned DSG R is almost $69k, I'd think buying privately would be amazing job to get under 60. Maybe end of month and be serious about walking away I'd offer $59,995 and hand them credit card for deposit then and there and see how you go.

When I bought privately s3 sedan and the MK7R I think I got roughly 10% off. I got stock DSG and paid $55k so basically no ORC. I see than the prices have risen $3k in that time and m140i has reduced its price.

You're not comparing apples with apples though.

The original cost of the car might be lower for the GST credit (capped at the LCT limit) but the FBT calculation claws this all back - there is no free lunch.

Rest assured, someone leasing is not suddenly getting some magically better deal than a private buyer direct.

**mp2811** · 27-02-2018, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dutch77

You're not comparing apples with apples though.

The original cost of the car might be lower for the GST credit (capped at the LCT limit) but the FBT calculation claws this all back - there is no free lunch.

Rest assured, someone leasing is not suddenly getting some magically better deal than a private buyer direct.

I'm no expert so I believe you. All I know is that we paid $66k for s3 sedan privately on car that was about 73k full price and leasing company got new one for $57k with full price of almost $78k.

I think that person that paid $60,500 is great deal that's more than 12% off. I assume that there isn't the same margin with VW as compared to Audi/BMW. My step brother got his 430i last year at roughly 25% off.

Anyway, great cars but I think they need to keep pricing to around $60k Drive away personally to have great value too. Mind you even the new Mustangs will be over $70k RRP with minimal options so seems many cars going up. The BMW only one that's become a way better deal. I remember looking at M135i 4 years ago and most people paid $80k for them and now the M140i with way more features etc can get for low to mid 60's.

**Dutch77** · 27-02-2018, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by mp2811

I'm no expert so I believe you. All I know is that we paid $66k for s3 sedan privately on car that was about 73k full price and leasing company got new one for $57k with full price of almost $78k.

I think that person that paid $60,500 is great deal that's more than 12% off. I assume that there isn't the same margin with VW as compared to Audi/BMW. My step brother got his 430i last year at roughly 25% off.

Anyway, great cars but I think they need to keep pricing to around $60k Drive away personally to have great value too. Mind you even the new Mustangs will be over $70k RRP with minimal options so seems many cars going up. The BMW only one that's become a way better deal. I remember looking at M135i 4 years ago and most people paid $80k for them and now the M140i with way more features etc can get for low to mid 60's.

Millions wouldn't - glad you do.

Regardless whoever was sourcing your vehicles was getting some sharp pricing either way.

A fully loaded Golf R I guess is effectively $1k dearer now with the Dynaudio option in there, but may depend where you're buying with the different ORC as it's showing up under $66k here - so I'd be expecting a sub $60k sticker.

Actually when I was looking at a stock R before changing to the Wolf wagon at the last moment I had one at $57.5k before I'd even tried to talk them down. That was with no roof, and no Dynaudio then so ignoring the few duty dollars difference it would put it at $60.4k pre haggle.

An Audi dealer is lucky to average a 10% margin, so presumably buyers paying retail and other adjustments are how cars are coming in with margins over this.

Agreed on the BMW, I looked at it when it first came out - those original M135i buyers if they were still holding have taken a massive hit..

**LibraR** · 27-02-2018, 05:44 PM

A lot of the salary sacrifice and lease prices are excluding gst (they net off gst input credit) so you need to factor that in to the numbers. A $60k car through the leasing/salary sacrifice is actually a $66k car as a he buyer gets the net figure in their package.

Business buyers get the input credit themselves to the extent applicable so can offset that against the “GST inclusive” price they sign on the line for.

That said some great deals there on the S3 abd 140i regardless

**Dutch77** · 27-02-2018, 07:14 PM

Correct - which is clawed back through the FBT process which uses both inclusive figures and a higher gross up in the calculation; and the residual.

Unless you're fudging the books, much like all the dual cab numpties who are going to be getting a surprise from the ATO in the future.

My 60/66 numbers were purely inclusive, just suggesting a sub 60k price for a fully optioned 18.5 R hatch should not be an issue.

**WallySimmonds** · 27-02-2018, 08:30 PM

Yeah, all the prices I get from my lease company appear to be ex GST, although they don't specifically state this (I assume because it's implied...)

I do always ask the DA price they got. From there, I chuck that into a calculator I got from whirlpool and it essentially breaks everything down. It's been pretty accurate for my current lease.

I suspect I will probably be getting a worse deal this time around because I'm trading my car in.

Anyway, a few grand here or there is not the end of the world - I have the luxury of time however so I'm happy to wait to get a good price. I'm personally aiming for 58-59 for all options, and if a deal comes up with a base spec and DAP I might take that too.