Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

[dsta]

Thank you for that resfreshing departure from logic, team_v.

You either did not read or did not understand my post, or did not grasp the point above relative value of two similarly equipped GTIs and that a base GTI with DSG, leather and Xenons would cost $1300 more than a PP.

Even as a manual driver, I would wait for and buy an auto PP before I paid $1200 less for a manual with less power and features.

With all due respect, VWA would be aware of this and for whatever reason have decided on this pricing model.

Have you considered that this could be a strategy to 'encourage' people to purchase the PP effectively raising the number of sales starting at $46k + ORC rather than $41k + OTR?

[Jimi]

So, about the PP GTI I'm bloody furious VW are charging so much for it. Unless I'm wrong it is only £1500 more in the UK.

It's £980 in the UK, so about A$1,500.

What this pricing structure does in my view is rule out the logic to anyone adding any options to a non-PP GTI. That probably makes VWA very happy; they will only be getting orders for completely standard manual GTIs or GTI-PPs.

The maths has already been done countless times, but my view is:

Stock manual GTI: $41.5k
GTI-PP DSG: $48k
GTI DSG: $44k. If you were to hypothetically bring this close to the performance pack you would add alcantara if it were an option (about $1,500 based on Euro markets) + 19" ($1,500 based on UK equivalent) + Bi-Xenons ($2,150) + rear LEDs (no comparison as they're not an option anywhere, but they go for 600 euros online, let's conservatively say A$500). Total: $49,650 and that's still without the diff, brakes and extra power that cost another $1,500 or so in other markets.

Therefore I can't see anyone playing with options unless it's an add-on to the PP. The PP is a good value package but two features in particular, those crashy 19" wheels and the transmission, are already polarising us.

I would go for 18" wheels if they end up being a no cost option on the PP. Hopefully they find it in their hearts to offer a manual too, even if it's not much less than $47k. Then again, how much more is the R going to be? It's all getting too hard!

[sheckster]

Just to throw it out there. Went to Merc yesterday to order A250 but was told expected delivery is April/March so I didn't go ahead. It's now very interesting 'coz GTI PP should be available around the same time (along with the R?)

[irossiter]

Only £980 for PP. Even more insulting to Aust buyers then! Also if we can't get a sunroof with the 19's (presuming they won't let you put on standard 18's) then they've lost a sale. Dealers make their profits with optioning up cars. I think it's very difficult to assign a dollar value on various front diffs, brakes etc etc on the PP. Alcantara side bolsters would be nice with the tartan fabric but I'm sure they will still slug you $3000 for full leather with seat heaters. Completely agree that adding multiple options to a standard GTI will get you close to the PP. That is exactly how VW will suggest you stretch to a more expensive model. Car makers don't make money on base models. I still think VW will be making massive profit on the PP GTI and that continues to turn me away from buying one, even on principle!

[irossiter]

Just to throw it out there. Went to Merc yesterday to order A250 but was told expected delivery is April/March so I didn't go ahead. It's now very interesting 'coz GTI PP should be available around the same time (along with the R?)

Merc not available til April is if you are ordering now. If you order a GTI now won't be available til April either if you don't grab the limited stock coming over now in standard GTI. If you order a PP when they arrive in the first quarter next year it will be the same story, pushed back to August/Sept unless you can get one of the first deliveries with the options you want.
Again, they usually load up the first arrival of cars with heaps of options, knowing that you won't want to wait another 6 months. Thus making lots of profit.

[macdub]

price is up on VW website..48670 drive away for DSG..if I add sunroof and leather, it will be around 52-53 driveaway..I remember getting a quote for A250 few months earlier with command pack which came to 56k driveaway...this is very close..I expected a gap bit wider..Merc will get lot of GTI buyers I think!

[Marcotto]

No manual PP no 3 door makes marcus something something.

[Arnold]

With all due respect, VWA would be aware of this and for whatever reason have decided on this pricing model.

Have you considered that this could be a strategy to 'encourage' people to purchase the PP effectively raising the number of sales starting at $46k + ORC rather than $41k + OTR?

I am certain that VWA has considered all relevant issues and set their pricing in light of competitors and, overall, with a view to maximising profit, as would go without saying.

Contrary to my earlier posts, which I will correct by annotation, the like-for-like difference between a standard GTI and a GTI PP would appear to be +$1850 (rather than minus $1300 as previously posited) and so not jeopardise the value proposition of the standard GTI quite as I had apprehended (when I thought Alacantra was akin to $3,150 worth of leather trim).

[Brycem]

Hmmm, you did notice that the M135i and A250 (and A45) come standard with an autobox. The vast majority of Golf GTIs are DSG. Hence the restriction of the PP to the DSG model.[/QUOTE]

Only here where the laziness of the so called drivers of drivers' cars want autos. That prevailing attitude will be the death of driver involvement. Can half the users on here even drive a manual?

[Golf7]

Embargo: 1 Oct 2013 8:30 AEST

October 1 2013

2014 will see arrival of GTI Performance in Australia

Golf GTI Performance will launch with new front differential lock, upgraded brakes and additional standard features

Tasmania, October 2013. From the first half of 2014, the Golf GTI lineup in Australia will be complemented by a new performance companion. The added Golf GTI Performance will come standard with unique visual and technical equipment, which will help set it apart from the standard version.

Extended performance features. On its exterior, the Golf GTI Performance differs from the standard GTI by its GTI logo on the front brake calipers. The brake package for the GTI Performance has been upgraded along with the increased engine output (169kW), the ventilated brakes discs are 28mm larger at 340mm, while the rear discs are now also ventilated and 10mm larger at 310mm in diameter.

Technical features of the Golf GTI Performance also include a newly developed front differential lock.

Front differential lock. A newly engineered electronic front differential lock is being used exclusively in the Golf GTI Performance. To date, Volkswagen is the only carmaker to utilise an electronically controlled differential lock in a front-wheel drive production model. Compared to purely mechanical locks, the front differential lock integrated in the Golf GTI Performance has a variable degree of locking and comprehensive interfaces to ESP, EDL and XDL+ functions. This makes it possible to entirely avoid negative effects on steering handling or steering precision that otherwise occurs with mechanical locks. As a result, the system realises the full potential and maximum performance of a differential lock with regard to vehicle dynamics, ensuring comfort is not impaired under any circumstances.

Additional standard features. Adding a higher level of specification above the standard Golf GTI, the GTI Performance is instantly recognizable with a range of luxury and convenience features as standard. Bi-Xenon headlights, dark tinted LED tail lights, tinted glass and 19-inch “Santiago” alloy wheels give the GTI Performance’s exterior a sporty look, while the GTI Performance’s interior receives sports seats featuring the newly designed “Clark” tartan, with the addition of race-style alcantara trim on the head rest and side bolsters, completing the nod to over 35 years of GTI history.

Golf GTI Performance RRP $47,990*
* Prices quoted are Manufacturer List Prices excluding dealer delivery charges, which may vary from dealer to dealer and statutory charges, which vary from state to state.