Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

**irossiter** · 17-10-2013, 07:21 PM

I think you'll find that the new 103TSI does not have a "twin" super and turbocharged motor now, being turbo only and the 7 speed DSG is also different to the supposedly troublesome one. I think it's a very nice package.

**Ryan_R** · 17-10-2013, 07:48 PM

Yes the Mk7 103TSI DSG drives nothing like my Mk6 118TSI DSG

**Diesel_vert** · 17-10-2013, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by godzilla_110TDI

Went to check the new GTI out this arvo. Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering where the extra nearly 15k over a 103TSI is going?

It depends on what you want or need from a car.

Generally speaking, there are much bigger profit margins to be had for higher-trim or sporty models (compared to lower-trim or base models) for vehicle manufacturers.

In addition, you always sell at the what the market is prepared to spend - in this case, for a C-segment hot hatch in Australia, it's usually $40k and upwards.

However, there are some big-ticket items that would actually cost more to make or purchase (compared to the 103TSI Highline) for the manufacturer, which include:

- 2.0 L engine
- 6 speed DSG (wet clutch)
- 18" wheels & tyres
- Electronically controlled dampers (Adaptive Chassis Control)
- Variable ratio steering rack (Progressive Steering)

The Performance Package adds 17" front & rear disc brakes and a Haldex limited-slip differential (plus other stuff).

In terms of performance, hot hatches have traditionally been very good value for money compared to the equivalent sports car - a lot of bang for your buck, so the saying goes.

If you consider how much you'd need to spend on a traditional sports car in order to reach the performance level that a modern hot hatch offers, the amount of value they offer should become easily apparent.

However, if performance is not really a priority nor desired, it goes without saying that a normal hatch will offer superior value. Again, it all comes down to your own requirements.

**Tobes_WIR35** · 17-10-2013, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel_vert

It depends on what you want or need from a car.

Generally speaking, there are much bigger profit margins to be had for higher-trim or sporty models (compared to lower-trim or base models) for vehicle manufacturers.

In addition, you always sell at the what the market is prepared to spend - in this case, for a C-segment hot hatch in Australia, it's usually $40k and upwards.

However, there are some big-ticket items that would actually cost more to make or purchase (compared to the 103TSI Highline) for the manufacturer, which include:

- 2.0 L engine
- 6 speed DSG (wet clutch)
- 18" wheels & tyres
- Electronically controlled dampers (Adaptive Chassis Control)
- Variable ratio steering rack (Progressive Steering)

The Performance Package adds 17" front & rear disc brakes and a Haldex limited-slip differential (plus other stuff).

In terms of performance, hot hatches have traditionally been very good value for money compared to the equivalent sports car - a lot of bang for your buck, so the saying goes.

If you consider how much you'd need to spend on a traditional sports car in order to reach the performance level that a modern hot hatch offers, the amount of value they offer should become easily apparent.

However, if performance is not really a priority nor desired, it goes without saying that a normal hatch will offer superior value. Again, it all comes down to your own requirements.

I think I can summarize this in one sentence:

If you can't appreciate the cost difference between a 103TSI and a GTI, then you should, without question, buy the 103TSI.

**vk6tnc** · 17-10-2013, 10:19 PM

Heading to the big city tomorrow (well Perth anyway) to see if my 200cm/6'7" frame will fit in a GTI ???

**jacs** · 18-10-2013, 06:12 AM

Anyone know for sure if the current Mk7 GTI donk has a timing chain (as the Mk6), or a rubber belt ?

**Mountainman** · 18-10-2013, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by pologti18t

Not sure if posted before... Wheels Nov has a road test of the GTI (DSG) = 9/10

0-100km/h 6.4 sec
0-400m 14.5sec @ 163 km/h

Just for comparison... they compared the Fiesta ST/208GTI/Fabia vRS/Swift

208Gti is seriously fast - 0-100 6.6 sec, 0-400m 14.8sec@153km/h

Interesting.... so the Mk7 GTI is faster than the Mk6 but not by much considering an extra 7kW, 70Nm and about 55kg less weight. "Wheels" tested the Mk6 GTI DSG in March 2011 achieving a 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec @ 156km/h.
And back in 2004 they tested a 1460kg 155kW 4 speed auto Subaru Forester XT at 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec also but back in those days had 2 people in the car where now they only have the driver.

**nat225** · 18-10-2013, 07:46 AM

To stretch it further, i cant see where the extra $200k+ goes to comparing my GTI to a GT3. I can obviously see the letter 'I'gets upgraded to a '3'.

Both have wheels, tyres, an engine; and can take me from pit to finish line with smiles.

GTI smile

GT3 smile

Originally Posted by godzilla_110TDI

Went to check the new GTI out this arvo. Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering where the extra nearly 15k over a 103TSI is going?

**nat225** · 18-10-2013, 07:52 AM

U need to also compare the drivability around town, power delivery curve, turbo lag and stuffs.

Else we will all be driving old HSV V8 with massive power and torque to brag on 0-100 & 400m & traffic light grand prix daily achievements

or a 9 yr old Subaru awd turbo.

Originally Posted by Mountainman

Interesting.... so the Mk7 GTI is faster than the Mk6 but not by much considering an extra 7kW, 70Nm and about 55kg less weight. "Wheels" tested the Mk6 GTI DSG in March 2011 achieving a 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec @ 156km/h.
And back in 2004 they tested a 1460kg 155kW 4 speed auto Subaru Forester XT at 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec also but back in those days had 2 people in the car where now they only have the driver.