Quote Originally Posted by Primordial View Post
Yeah the Pretoria's in silver would be my pick (I've got them in black, on my Wolfsburg). I bought some 'light weight' wheels for track days, which are actually heavier than the Pretorias! They are an awesome wheel!



On topic of the 40th versus R thing - I've owned a MK6 GTI (modified), and obviously the 7R above (which is also modified). The nimbleness of the GTI is the key here. The R is definitely sure-footed, but it feels weighty compared to the more 'chuckable' GTI. The clubsport/40th would be another league again with its tighter suspension and other bits.

That said, I disagree about traction not being an issue with the 40th anniversary. If you're keeping the car stock it might be fine, but if you're modifying at all, you WILL have traction issues. The LSD is great for corner exits, but you're going to be breaking traction in slower corners with BOTH wheels (LSD is irrelevant here!) when you increase the torque with an ECU tune or similar. By comparison in the R, often you can mash the throttle before the apex and it will just pull you tighter into the corner and lay down 100% torque on corner exit. That is massively confidence inspiring, and I find myself actually pushing a lot harder in the R, where I would be much more tentative in the GTI. Personally I enjoy being able to push harder (read: faster) in the R, over the fact that the GTI was more nimble. That's just my personal preference and driving style. It's really your own style which will decide which is more enjoyable to you.

As someone else mentioned, test driving a PP will be similar in feel to the 40th. Though I doubt you'll be pushing hard enough in a test drive to show the true differences between the 40th and the R. Good luck with the choice though mate - they are both killer cars!
Good points and it is true that there are probably going to be issues on slow corners if you request the entire 500 (remapped) Nm from a set of turned wheels a lot earlier than hitting the apex. That is if the OP is looking into remapping of-course. With stock torque of 350/380Nm it shouldn't be as much of a problem as the very similar Leon Cupra has proven so far.

But you shouldn't wait too long to floor it either, at least nowhere as long as you'd wait in the past. In fact the feed-back we've got from the most hard-core lsd-equipped MQB FWD variants like the Cupra and Clubsport is that they are nothing like the previous MK6 in terms of handling or anything like traditional FWD cars most of us where used to up to now. Not even the journalists have got their head round that yet. You still read how contrary to common belief these cars can corner. This was also my impression from the Cupra I test-drove (and I was about to order until the Clubsport was introduced). You could not honestly tell whether the car was FWD or not by the way it took corners, it was unbelievably smooth and neutral.

In fact most reviewers are recommending attacking the corners as much as your confidence permits, applying the throttle rather early and stay on it making the lsd to work in your favour and sling-shot you out of the corner. Surely the AWD will put 100% of the power down all the time, but on the Clubsport/Cupra you can benefit from a faster and more agile turn-in and corner entry, ultimately carrying more speed for more time around the corner which means you don't need to make up for such a big drop in speed as you need to do with the R for example. And in the end, in a series of close bends this will make a difference.

One downside is that you need to be prepared to be involved and push the car more to actually benefit from this behaviour which is not the typical approach of: braking, turning and just slamming the throttle hoping the car can indeed put the power down, but it is also a more rewarding and ultimately more efficient process. So I guess it's again back to driving style, preferences and priorities.

The following video of a Clubsport chasing an R at the Portimao track is rather indicative of how more composed and able to keep tighter lines the Clubsport is compared to the R:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkLr...ArU8tY&index=2