Anyone tried out the Michelin PS5's?

[petemac110]

MOTOR Tyre Test 2018: Results

falken is inbetween pzero and hifly.. pzero and hifly are the same on the newest test ..

Falling "in between" in outright ranking doesn't really tell the full story - you need to drill down further into the scoring, and also how the tyres perform in different tests.

The "overall points" column is telling - the FK510 came 5th with 22 points, whilst the Hifly was 7th with 42 points... a sizeable gap in performance. The Hifly is also part of a cluster of the five worst tyres, only separated by 3 points. Conversely, the FK510 is part of a cluster of 3rd to 5th which are also separated by 3 points and towards the top of the list.

The gap between these two clusters is more telling than the numerical order of the results.

This is reflected in the text in the MOTOR's review which is pretty unambiguous about trading performance for price as you head down the list:

"It was a two-horse race between Continental and Dunlop until the wet tests exposed a chink in the latter’s armour, but there’s been plenty else happening down the order. The Kumho, Pirelli, and Falken’s collective scores were closer bunched; however, they specialised at different things.

The Falken loved the wet stuff, going as far to give our Continental a scare on the lateral G. The Kumho also worked well in puddles, but its braking performance was truly impressive.
If you want consistency, though, then pick the Pirelli P Zero. Luffy said early on, “it does everything you want it to,” and while it didn’t top any discipline, its four fourths highlight that.

Goodyear’s Eagle F1 started strong in the slalom, but seems to have developed hydrophobia compared to predecessors. The old Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 once dominated the wet weather tests.

Even so, the gap between the Goodyear and the HiFly is the order’s largest, suggesting from here on you’re trading performance for price. The only highlight in the bottom five was the Achilles’ motorkhana run, where it placed ahead of the Goodyear and Falken.

On equal placing to the Achilles is the Nitto. It didn’t excel anywhere. Like the Laufenn it’s claimed to prioritise comfort and noise levels over outright performance, but that’s a bit like bringing a pea-shooter to a gun-fight.

Joining it in last place is the Nexen N’Fera SU1. It didn’t flounder in the wet, but its dry results shows it’s no performance king. That title goes to the Continental SportContact 6."


I'm always cautious of comparing tyre results from different tests - too many variables are at play, particularly when different sizes/profiles and different cars are being used. Any comparisons between the 2018 and 2021 tests are vague at best. There's also a large number of overseas tests by various magazines which are useful references - MOTOR is useful but far less detailed than many of those.

[Sharkie]

I personally buy tyres for that once a year when I really need them. At that stage, as good a driver as I may be, I want the tyres to exceed my capabilities, not the other way around.

Exactly, this is why ...

[petemac110]

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Now, I've snipped the important parts of the table out of that review together.

Not only did the Pirellis and Falkens beat the HiFly's by two and three positions respectively, but they also COMPREHENSIVELY outscored them (noting that a lower score is better) - the HiFlys scored TWICE the points as the P Zeros, and nearly twice that of the Falkens.

Why choose the Falkens? ~$70 per corner cheaper than the Pirellis at the prices mentioned, for a score of only ONE point worse. And yes, the HiFlys are half the price - but then they seem to only be half as good...

Yep, that's what I was trying to say in my 'war and peace' response above that was interrupted by a few phone calls. Too slow!

[Sharkie]

Lets face it noone is doing the frickn cone test on the way to work alrite.

Ummm, talk about yourself .....

I have a series of close following roundabouts on the way to work and I "test" the hell out of my tyres every time I get to them (obviously only if it is clear). It is safe to say I know the squeal point (and break point) of every tyre fitted to every car I own ....

[amunra]

Ummm, talk about yourself .....

I have a series of close following roundabouts on the way to work and I "test" the hell out of my tyres every time I get to them (obviously only if it is clear). It is safe to say I know the squeal point (and break point) of every tyre fitted to every car I own ....

taking the 'fun' way..

I know about the squeak points on the rd.. some tyres take them better than others

[Lucas_R]

Because as much as you think it's trolling, there's a genuine question somewhere in it - an opportunity for real information to be gleaned. You may not like the way it's framed, but there's a genuine answer that can come out of it.

There was NO genuine question in your post. It was just a troll, nothing more, nothing less.

You've got a PM from me from a while back, maybe read it?

My post was a troll - in response to his troll.

I saw your PM, and I can only hope amunra got one as well about his behavior because he is the instigator.

It was all genuine.. i actually wanted to know what makes someone lean to falken .. at that price range i would never consider it myself and am not too familiar with the brand but im open to hearing how someone else chooses or thinks..

What a load of bs. How ridiculous to suggest a tyre shop has nothing other than Falken to offer. Your post was nothing more than a troll and you know it. I love how you act all sweet and innocent when you know the moderator is watching you.

[petemac110]

more importantly to my question. whyd u go with falken? is that all the store had

No, they had several options (although sadly not the Pilot4S which were my preference - there were stock shortages across Australia at the time).

The Falkens generally test very well and are great tyres. Two of us have explained how to read the statistics in our posts above - you are misunderstanding the results. The pecking order says very little - dig deeper. If you are seriously suggesting that the Hifly and the Falkens are close in terms of measured performance... you are wrong

They were also $220/corner (as I managed to convince a mainstream retailer to match Tempe Tyres prices) in 235/40R19 which is a screaming bargain in my books.

[amunra]

Falling "in between" in outright ranking doesn't really tell the full story - you need to drill down further into the scoring, and also how the tyres perform in different tests.

The "overall points" column is telling - the FK510 came 5th with 22 points, whilst the Hifly was 7th with 42 points... a sizeable gap in performance. The Hifly is also part of a cluster of the five worst tyres, only separated by 3 points. Conversely, the FK510 is part of a cluster of 3rd to 5th which are also separated by 3 points and towards the top of the list.

The gap between these two clusters is more telling than the numerical order of the results.

This is reflected in the text in the MOTOR's review which is pretty unambiguous about trading performance for price as you head down the list:

"It was a two-horse race between Continental and Dunlop until the wet tests exposed a chink in the latter’s armour, but there’s been plenty else happening down the order. The Kumho, Pirelli, and Falken’s collective scores were closer bunched; however, they specialised at different things.

The Falken loved the wet stuff, going as far to give our Continental a scare on the lateral G. The Kumho also worked well in puddles, but its braking performance was truly impressive.
If you want consistency, though, then pick the Pirelli P Zero. Luffy said early on, “it does everything you want it to,” and while it didn’t top any discipline, its four fourths highlight that.

Goodyear’s Eagle F1 started strong in the slalom, but seems to have developed hydrophobia compared to predecessors. The old Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 once dominated the wet weather tests.

Even so, the gap between the Goodyear and the HiFly is the order’s largest, suggesting from here on you’re trading performance for price. The only highlight in the bottom five was the Achilles’ motorkhana run, where it placed ahead of the Goodyear and Falken.

On equal placing to the Achilles is the Nitto. It didn’t excel anywhere. Like the Laufenn it’s claimed to prioritise comfort and noise levels over outright performance, but that’s a bit like bringing a pea-shooter to a gun-fight.

Joining it in last place is the Nexen N’Fera SU1. It didn’t flounder in the wet, but its dry results shows it’s no performance king. That title goes to the Continental SportContact 6."


I'm always cautious of comparing tyre results from different tests - too many variables are at play, particularly when different sizes/profiles and different cars are being used. Any comparisons between the 2018 and 2021 tests are vague at best. There's also a large number of overseas tests by various magazines which are useful references - MOTOR is useful but far less detailed than many of those.

well going from the most recent 2021 . pzero and hifly are dead even... pzero and falken were even a few years ago so itd be safe to assume falken has dropped in the ranks too unless proven otherwise.. not saying falken are bad.. imo u can pick any of those tyres in the test #1 to hifly and you will have the same experience

[Manaz]

An even better cut of that table from the 2018 test.



I'd be upset to pay the premium price for the Pirelli or Goodyear when the substantially cheaper Kumho beat them both, and the Falken came so close to equalling the Pirelli's score. The Dunlop looks to be the value-for-money winner in my eyes for this test (and I'm not a big Dunlop fan, but the numbers are hard to argue with).

I'd love to see the 2021 results (and read the full article to get the details - that's often where the devil is). It is worth noting that tyre can perform differently on different cars - FWD vs AWD vs RWD, weight distribution, etc can have an impact as well. The 2018 test was on an i30N, a different car, with different sizes/etc, may actually result in different outcomes, even for the same group of tyres.

[amunra]

No, they had several options (although sadly not the Pilot4S which were my preference - there were stock shortages across Australia at the time).

The Falkens generally test very well and are great tyres. Two of us have explained how to read the statistics in our posts above - you are misunderstanding the results. The pecking order says very little - dig deeper. If you are seriously suggesting that the Hifly and the Falkens are close in terms of measured performance... you are wrong

They were also $220/corner (as I managed to convince a mainstream retailer to match Tempe Tyres prices) in 235/40R19 which is a screaming bargain in my books.

yeh i can see the individual characteristics champ its 1 of the first things i looked at.. but in the end an overall score means something too.

you most likely want to have something thats very good at what you do regularly on your commute and durable. the rest is a trade off between brands