1.4L 118kw engine GONE

**Rawcpoppa** · 15-12-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ryan_R

2.5 litres? I've beaten 3.0L V6's and have even kept up with that Holden R8 Ute thing when leaving the traffic lights (whatever that's running). Of course Stage 1 and weight difference has a lot to do with that.

Aren't some costs of the lower end cars covered by the higher prices of more premium cars (or premium options) anyway? $3000 satnav anyone?

Stage 1 makes a big difference for you. 2.5 litre na engines deliver just about or a bit above the performance specs of the 1.4 twincharger. However 2.5 litre engines are heavier and the cars with them tend to be heavier than the golf or jetta with the 1.4.

I'm stock. Looking at the performance specs for 3.0 litres there is no way stock that a 1.4 tsi should be able to outperform a 3.0 unless it's really old or detuned.

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**cktsi** · 15-12-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Rawcpoppa

You're having a laugh. They won't go backwards and a TC auto would be just that.

I find it hard to believe Vw aren't simply cutting costs. If you can get 90% of performance out of the new 1.4 for significantly cheaper then why not? Lets be honest. Vw only stuck that supercharger there years ago because they couldn't get low end torque out of it.

Now the new 1.4 gets more torque than the old one while delivering a bit less horsepower BUT the car is lighter and is only .1 seconds slower from 0-60. From a capitalism business perspective it makes sense.

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+1

I also was not talking about sunk setup and tooling costs. I was talking about the incremental variable cost of extra materials for the supercharger parts as well as incremental assembly time which reduces throughput and any labour that goes along with that.

As i said, if you ran the complexity argument, the DQ200 would have been ditched as well along a similar argument.

**wb47** · 25-12-2012, 04:05 PM

Hey guys,

So I think I will put in an order for the Mk7 Golf, possibly the model replacing the 118TSI,

However I have a question for it's reliability;

Since in the new model only a turbocharger will be used (as opposed to twin turbo/super) will any problems and complications that was infamously abundant on the outgoing model remain?

Thank You!

**Ryan_R** · 25-12-2012, 06:44 PM

Yes, VW will make sure the MK7 replacement has the same problems as the early 118TSI's had.

No, VW will be sure to fix those issues with the new model.

Pick whichever one you like.

**AdamD** · 26-12-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by wb47

Since in the new model only a turbocharger will be used (as opposed to twin turbo/super) will any problems and complications that was infamously abundant on the outgoing model remain?

The new 1.4L turbocharged 103kw Bluemotion motor (the most powerful petrol Golf engine released in Europe thus far in the MK7) is not particularly similar to either the 90TSI or 118TSI engines available in the Mk6 Golf. VWA haven't yet announced an engine line-up for Australia, so we don't even know which engines we will or won't get (and that includes engines that haven't been released in Europe yet).

As a result, we really can't hypothesise about reliability at this stage. If you're very sensitive to these things, then you may be better off buying another make or model (that has been on the market for longer, and is therefore more of a known quantity), or at least buying a model that uses an engine that's been around for some time. The forthcoming GTI and R will use the existing EA888 engine found in the Mk6 GTI (in a modified state of tune) so these are potentially a safer bet.

**idaho** · 10-01-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by AdamD

... VWA haven't yet announced an engine line-up for Australia, so we don't even know which engines we will or won't get (and that includes engines that haven't been released in Europe yet)...

The RVCS website is showing 90TSI, 103TSI and 110TDI engines.

**Melon Head** · 14-01-2013, 09:37 AM

Might also have something to do with the universal MQB chassis platform.
Apparently the 1.4 L engine is a completely new design and the engine block is now cast Aluminium Alloy, in addition to that, all engines used on the MQB platform will be orientated so that the exhaust manifold will face the rear of the car and all engines will be leaned backwards. Not sure if this would effect the ability (space required) to incorporate twin charging or not, but it does seem VW have intelligently gone about designing this platform to reduce manufacturing costs and make it as universal as possible.