Easy Upgrades For My New A4???

[DaveMack]

Be warned that the k&n may stuff up the maf sensor due to it being oil based.

Utter nonsense! I'm sick of hearing this b/s bandied around as though it's fact when it is not. It will only 'stuff up' your MAF if you OVER-OIL it when cleaning it. The K&N product is excellent and their instructions are both easy to follow and extremely clear on how much you should or should NOT oil your filter.

Dave

[mikk@]

thanks all!! some helpful feedback..
Im not planning on throwing a silly amount of money on it (already done that with the skyline) im just looking for a few minor upgrades to make it a bit punchier.
The chip sound like the logical thing to do as the next step.
The k&n didnt make a big difference in anything other than a bit more induction noise which is all good. Im just consernes that it might however effect the ecu and cause it to run richer or leaner.

[coby]

Utter nonsense! I'm sick of hearing this b/s bandied around as though it's fact when it is not. It will only 'stuff up' your MAF if you OVER-OIL it when cleaning it. The K&N product is excellent and their instructions are both easy to follow and extremely clear on how much you should or should NOT oil your filter.

Dave

How many stories have you heard of these ill effects though? ALOT and not always here say. The problems are out there and it can be costly, so a friendly warning may be called for.
Possibly I should have said; if used incorrectly, it may cause MAF trouble.
I actually have a K&N panel filter and haven't had any trouble as yet (only been there for 15K - cleaned and re-oiled once), but it can happen easily.

[DaveMack]

How many stories have you heard of these ill effects though? ALOT and not always here say. The problems are out there and it can be costly, so a friendly warning may be called for.
Possibly I should have said; if used incorrectly, it may cause MAF trouble.
I actually have a K&N panel filter and haven't had any trouble as yet (only been there for 15K - cleaned and re-oiled once), but it can happen easily.

So ... hearsay is evidence, is it? K&N give an engine LIFETIME GUARANTEE ... the buyer is protected and they wouldn't do that if they were not confident in their product.

I've used one (with great results) for over 2 years and I have yet to see ANY validated proof that this claim is warranted.

Dave

[Dub_Star_V6]

+1 for DaveMack, as I've used oiled filters on my last three cars (that's almost 10 years) including a complete K&N 57i Series Induction Kit on the Astra and a panel in the AMG and have never once had anything even remotely resembling a problem with the MAF. I have never had one fail. Ever.

These filters have to be oiled with the lightest of films to work properly. The only thing that will kill a MAF is the moron who's over-oiled it.

Now...

[coby]

So ... hearsay is evidence, is it? K&N give an engine LIFETIME GUARANTEE ... the buyer is protected and they wouldn't do that if they were not confident in their product.

I've used one (with great results) for over 2 years and I have yet to see ANY validated proof that this claim is warranted.

Dave

No I said (wrote or whatever) NOT ONLY hear say.
A few people have had trouble with K&N in the past with forced induction 5 cylinders - an example here - I know, hear say as it may be to you

I think trying to get money out of K&N would be near impossible seeings how they could just blame it on anything else in the engine bay. It would never be their fault. They would always be pretty safe with this "guarantee".

Just a thought, do k&n claim a performance increase? How do you think this would be achievable? Less superior filtration perhaps? There are actually independent tests floating around the net that prove this aswell.

[Golf Houso]

Utter nonsense! I'm sick of hearing this b/s bandied around as though it's fact when it is not. It will only 'stuff up' your MAF if you OVER-OIL it when cleaning it. The K&N product is excellent and their instructions are both easy to follow and extremely clear on how much you should or should NOT oil your filter.

Dave

K&N's entire reputation is based around the reliability and quality of their product. Even if 0.1% of their filters cased MAF failures that would mean that they would have close to 10,000 payable warranty claims per year, just even hiring staff to deal with the case not to mention to potential court cases and industrial ombudsman issues would send K&N either into the red or dramatically cut margins.

If all this jive about K&N was true they would not be in business today, look at the logic, look at the facts and look at how large organisations in a world market would work, and you will see how unlikely not to mention ludicrous these claims of engine and electrical damage caused by K&N filters are....

[DaveMack]

No I said (wrote or whatever) NOT ONLY hear say.
A few people have had trouble with K&N in the past with forced induction 5 cylinders - an example here - I know, hear say as it may be to you

I think trying to get money out of K&N would be near impossible seeings how they could just blame it on anything else in the engine bay. It would never be their fault. They would always be pretty safe with this "guarantee".

Just a thought, do k&n claim a performance increase? How do you think this would be achievable? Less superior filtration perhaps? There are actually independent tests floating around the net that prove this aswell.

We try to deal in provable (documented) facts in this forum. You might tell me your car makes 140kw at the wheels ... I'd ask to see the dyno sheet.

We try not to indulge in claims that cannot be proven without impirical evidence ... and this slur on K&N has been going on for years - they're still in business ... stronger than ever, because they build and distribute (globally) fine products.

I don't want to hear about some mother's uncle's 5 cylinder anything UNLESS THERE IS DOCUMENTED PROOF. Anything less and he/she is covering up mis-management of filter maintenance and probably thought: "If a little oil is good ... lots must be better." Now you see ... that statment of mine is speculation ... not proof.

And then you try and muddy the waters claiming that their performance isn't up to claims ... AGAIN ... WITHOUT PROOF. But wait ... there's more ... not satified with two slanderous (and unproven) approaches ... you go for a third: "You'd be lucky to get anything out of them in a claim." What is it, son ... blow up your car by stuffing up an oiled filter and now taking it out on K&N and the world?

Dave

[Transporter]

Utter nonsense! I'm sick of hearing this b/s bandied around as though it's fact when it is not. It will only 'stuff up' your MAF if you OVER-OIL it when cleaning it. The K&N product is excellent and their instructions are both easy to follow and extremely clear on how much you should or should NOT oil your filter.

Dave

Come on mate he said only "it may stuff up MAF sensor" he didn't say it will.

No need to declare the war.

Plus he might be right. And yes the companies will give the lifetime warranties on their product because they are insured againts that and if they make $1.00 profit they do anything for it. Even give lifetime warranty.

[coby]

We try to deal in provable (documented) facts in this forum. You might tell me your car makes 140kw at the wheels ... I'd ask to see the dyno sheet.

We try not to indulge in claims that cannot be proven without impirical evidence ... and this slur on K&N has been going on for years - they're still in business ... stronger than ever, because they build and distribute (globally) fine products.

I don't want to hear about some mother's uncle's 5 cylinder anything UNLESS THERE IS DOCUMENTED PROOF. Anything less and he/she is covering up mis-management of filter maintenance and probably thought: "If a little oil is good ... lots must be better." Now you see ... that statment of mine is speculation ... not proof.

And then you try and muddy the waters claiming that their performance isn't up to claims ... AGAIN ... WITHOUT PROOF. But wait ... there's more ... not satified with two slanderous (and unproven) approaches ... you go for a third: "You'd be lucky to get anything out of them in a claim." What is it, son ... blow up your car by stuffing up an oiled filter and now taking it out on K&N and the world?

Dave

I didn't mean to offend anyone with any of my statements, although it seems as though I may have. I appologise if I did.

My other link was a personal experience, which I believe (this doesn't mean everyone has to), isn't that what forums are about, sharing personal experience?

An example of what I thought the intentions of forums were; if someone told you that certain tires performed better than others that they had previously tried, would you consider that it may be a superior tire? Or would you wait for specific tread and rubber tested results to be released for your specific car before you bought more tires? Merely an example of believing personal experience.

Possibly not the best independent test, but interesting reading none the less. Link