Petrol RS Wagon DSG, Is this because of the car being new?

[sillyboy]

So what happens when you are in Sport Mode in a typical urban area limited to 60 kph?
A vRS at 5k rpm in 2nd gear would be well over 60 kph, so does it actually get into higher gears?

From what I have observed, if I have some input(just normal input around 20% not flooring) on the throttle, then the car will hang on to 2nd gear maybe all the way to 70km/h or higher, otherwise if I lift my foot, the car will shift into 3rd gear, only when the car is above around 54km/h, for anything below 50km/h, it will hold onto 2nd even if I lift my foot.

I think it will be provide a better drive in S if the car shift up at around 4k under normal throttle input. I guess that's why DSG reprogramming tune exist.

[Gerrycan]

Thanks for the clarification.
That confirms that a vRS with DSG with Sport mode would be totally wasted on me.

[Benj]

I don't think there is anything wrong with your car.
My RS behaves the same.
Sport mode accelerator is very linear and reactive.

Normal and Eco modes, the accelerator is very doughy and doesn't seem to do much between say 30%-80% as it stays in gear at low revs, so just riding the bottom of the torque curve.

I have put it down to the mapping of the DSG being too conservative in Normal mode. I would have also preferred them to have programmed the Normal mode to rev out a bit more and not be as keen to short shift. You expect it in Eco mode but it appears to me Normal mode and Eco mode are too close in characteristics.

Having said that, I am at 2000kms and find myself less bothered by it, maybe because I have just got use to it. I now mostly driving around in Eco mode as I now realize that if I want a bit of a fang I just spring the gear shift lever down to change the gearbox into Sport mode, and when finished with a fang, spring the gear shift lever down once again to resume Eco/Normal gearbox mode (e.g. this only appears to change the gearbox mode, not anything else like the steering weight, sound aktuator etc.)

[donweather]

D and S mode is like day and night. Unfortunately there isnt a happy medium.

Yes there is.....it's called a manual gear box!!!!

[h100vw]

I think it will be provide a better drive in S if the car shift up at around 4k under normal throttle input. I guess that's why DSG reprogramming tune exist.

Exactly, with a tune, you get the quick changes and the ability to rev it out but the moment you lift the pedal it changes up to a higher gear. This is much more like a conventional auto box.

Gavin

[Lucas_R]

Ive driven a work colleagues Mk7 Golf R a few times over the past few weeks and its so lazy in D mode....always in too high of a gear which makes it feel laggy and lazy. Im a manual gearbox driver and hate auto's, so I flick it over into sport and control the gears on the paddles behind the wheel....it's much better this way (although give me a proper manual anyday).

[chriskan]

Agreed, i get frustrated with the D and S mode, not having something in between. What's worse is when you're in S, and use the paddles to shift.. it then goes back to the S mode automatically and downshifts from 5th to 3rd..

On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know of DSG paddle Extensions available for the Mk3?

[dArK5HaD0w]

Looks like they changed the dsg mapping for the 6-speed gearbox in the mk3.
i believe the mk3 has the DQ250 gearbox, the same one found in the current mk2 vRS.

I had no such symptoms with my DSG6 in my mk2. It was very pleasant, and predictable. Infact I drove most of the 1st 1000kms in D. Something to do with the way it learns.

Urs is not "normal"....in my opinion.

I know have a dsg performance tune cause the factory mapped S mode sucked big time.
not anymore now - S mode is so addictive, and even D mode continues to handles the spirited requests nicely.

[afterdarker]

From what I have observed, if I have some input(just normal input around 20% not flooring) on the throttle, then the car will hang on to 2nd gear maybe all the way to 70km/h or higher, otherwise if I lift my foot, the car will shift into 3rd gear, only when the car is above around 54km/h, for anything below 50km/h, it will hold onto 2nd even if I lift my foot.

I think it will be provide a better drive in S if the car shift up at around 4k under normal throttle input. I guess that's why DSG reprogramming tune exist.

I'm surprised at your comments. There are more gearbox options on this car than any vehicle I have ever driven. You get sport normal and Eco modes for the overall engine . You get manual, sport or drive mode for the gearbox. You have paddles on the wheel to override it at any time. If it is revving too high or not revving enough you only have to touch a button, there are dozens of combinations all of which can be changed at an instant.
Honestly mate WTF are you agonising about? Talk about a first world gearbox problem!

[Martin]

You have to learn how to use and work with equipment you buy or use
There is no point rambling on about how you would prefer it to operate

I've had my Octavia VRS for 2.5 years now, I do ~500km driving to from work every week
I never ever use S mode during daily/city driving - there is simply no need or point.
D mode holds the gear to red line at full throttle - good for getting away quickly and then switching into cruise mode

S mode is designed to maintain higher RPM to provide ready access to power and acceleration,
rather than having to wait 1.2 seconds for an un-predicted down change,
that's why it holds the RPM/gear, there is a point to it, during performance driving.
If you in S mode in a 60km urban area and wanting low RPM your expectations and usage of the transmission are incorrect.

The best tip I've given to people who are new to the DSG is use the accelerator smoothly,
it's more comfortable - no sudden loss of power waiting for an un-predicted down change followed by abrupt power delivery
being smooth allows the DSG predictive changing to work nicely for/with you.

If you're cruising in a high gear and suddenly stab full throttle, it's less than pleasant

If you're in D mode and do emergency style braking from 100kmph, turn a corner, then hit full throttle,
the DSG will be in the wrong gear, you'll be waiting for that un-predicted change and get that nasty rush of power

Smooth throttle/speed transitions or using the paddles to select the required gear will make the experience much better

The purpose of the DSG tune is not to provide lower RPM
It's purpose is to increase the clutch clamping pressure to better cope with more power from tuned engines,
provide a true manual mode, it's possible to make simultaneous throttle and brake usage viable,
and discard the economy objectives of the stock program.
None of this is desirable for daily commuter usage.