Octavia non-FL v's FL engine specs

[bluefrog]

ok, Dave and I were discussing this the other night and it was doing our heads in (which is not that difficult for me at least) but anyway ..

I got the following info off wikipedia (which may or may not be correct of course) .. can anyone confirm the truth of it or otherwise???

What has me confused is that the Octavia Mk2 engine specs (BWA vs CCZA engine codes) don't exactly correlate with the specs of said engine codes as mentioned in the EA113 and EA888 specifications, and to make things worse the specs shown on the skoda.com.au brochure are some kind of weird combination of both, wtf?!?

the reason I decided to look this stuff up in the first place is because I came across the following post from an APR dude on vwvortex:

"Given the low cost of the stage 3 kit for the TSI compared to the FSI I would have jumped on the Stage 3 over the K04. I've driven both and I like the stage 3 because the power does not drop off up top at all. BTW I have a k04 on my FSI and after being in the TSI stage 3, I want it on my car but alas, I have an FSI. You guys have it so easy, clean and cheap!"

VWVortex.com - Stage 3 dyno graphs / mini review

Octavia Mk2 (Typ 1Z) (2004–present)

2.0 TFSI vRS (BWA) 10.2005 – 10.2008
1984 cc 16v DOHC Turbocharged Fuel Stratified Injection
200 PS (147 kW; 197 bhp) @ 5,100–6,000
280 N·m (207 ft·lbf) @ 1,800–5,000

2.0 TSI vRS (CCZA) 11.2008 – present
1984 cc 16v DOHC Turbocharged Fuel Stratified Injection
200 PS (147 kW; 197 bhp) @ 5,100–6,000
280 N·m (207 ft·lbf) @ 1,700–5,000

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2.0 R4 16v TFSI 125-199kW (EA113)

0.9 bars (13.1 psi) boost water cooled BorgWarner K03 turbocharger (K04 on 169 kW upwards)

147 kilowatts (200 PS; 197 bhp) @ 5,100-6,000 rpm; 280 newton metres (207 ft·lbf) @ 1,700-5,000 rpm — AXX, BWA, BWE, BPY (North America) — Audi A4 (B7), Audi A3 (8P), 2006 Audi TT, VW Passat (B6), VW Golf Mk5 GTI, VW Jetta Mk5 GLI, SEAT León FR Mk2, SEAT Altea, SEAT Toledo Mk3, SEAT Exeo, Škoda Octavia (1Z) vRS

199 kilowatts (271 PS; 267 bhp) @ 6,000 rpm; 350 newton metres (258 ft·lbf) @ 2,500-5,000 rpm — CDL — Audi TTS, Golf R (Europe)

notes - the 169 kW and higher versions have stronger pistons and gudgeon pins, new rings, reinforced connecting rods, new bearings, reinforced cylinder block at the main bearing pedestals and cap, new lightweight aluminium-silicon alloy cylinder head for high temperature resistance and strength, adjusted exhaust camshaft timing, increased cross-section high-pressure injectors, 1.2 bars (17.4 psi) (value only valid for Audi S3(8P)) boost pressure K04 turbocharger with larger turbine and compression rotor (S3, Cupra, GTI Edition 30), of which some components are NOT shared with the lower output variants

was winner of the "1.8-litre 2.0-litre" category for four consecutive years in the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 annual competition for International Engine of the Year

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2.0 R4 16v TSI/TFSI 132-155kW (EA888 )

BorgWarner K03 water-cooled turbocharger

155 kilowatts (211 PS; 208 bhp) @ 5,300-6,200 rpm; 280 newton metres (207 ft·lbf) @ 1,700-5,200 rpm — CCZA, CAWB: VW Golf Mk6 GTI, VW Scirocco, VW Passat B6, VW CC

was winner of the "1.8-litre 2.0-litre" category in the 2009 annual competition for International Engine of the Year.

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[woofy]

Not sure what you are after, if you are wondering whether upping the power to s3 levels means its not the same as the kits don't include all those special bits it mentions those engines have then you are right. It's still not the same.

If its because you are wondering if the current RS is really 155kw well it most likely is, a lot of people think the 147kw is just a marketing figure to give the current GTi a perceived premium.

[bluefrog]

Not sure what you are after, if you are wondering whether upping the power to s3 levels means its not the same as the kits don't include all those special bits it mentions those engines have then you are right. It's still not the same.

hey woofy, yeah I realise this, I just kept R/S3 notes in there for sheer interest factor.

If its because you are wondering if the current RS is really 155kw well it most likely is, a lot of people think the 147kw is just a marketing figure to give the current GTi a perceived premium.

basically I just want to confirm that our Oz facelift Octy does actually use the EA888 ... what you've just mentioned does seem to match up with what Dave was saying to me on Friday night .. (not doubting you Dave, just trying to find out the actual FL engine specs - as opposed to Skoda Australia's published specs)

[dArK5HaD0w]

i've already done the diggin up on this in my frustration for vw aus & skoda aus not allowing the gti accelaration rattle fix to b done under warranty, on my car.
have a look at this post

to sum it up, the mk6 gti & the fl rs have the exact same engine, they both r the CCZ (european spec) variant of the EA888 type - TSI. the only difference between the two is the software callibration, the rs comes with software a, and the gti comes with software b.
explaining why the gti has 155kw & the fl rs has 147kw.
no marketting gimmic there.

wikipedia got it wrong - they haven't mentioned the 'CCZB' variant.

the pre-fl, uses the EA113 engine type - FSI.

the americans use a different variant altogether of the EA888.

NA (north america) MK5/MK6 2.0 TSI Engine

• CCTA
• CBFA

CCT and CBF denote the engine's mechanical structure. i.e. secondary injection (CBF) vs non secondary injection (CCT). A, the 4th letter, denotes the power output for the calibration, i.e both rated in the us for 207ft-lb/200hp.

ROW (rest of the world) MK6 and A3 2.0 TSI Engines

• CCZA - RS (FL)
• CCZB - MK6

CCZ denotes the european mechanical structure. A and B denote a software calibration change for different power levels.
A has 200hp, B has 210hp.

- FSI Trans BWA ROW 2.0 TFSI 147kW (200 PS)
- FSI Trans BWJ ROW 2.0 TFSI 177kW (241 PS)
- FSI Trans BHZ ROW 2.0 TFSI 195kW (265 PS)
- TSI Trans CBFA NA 2.0 TSI 200 HP
- TSI Trans CCTA NA 2.0 TSI 200 HP
- TSI Trans CCZA ROW 2.0 TSI 147kW (200 PS), 280Nm
- TSI Trans CCZB ROW 2.0 TSI 154kW (210 PS), 280Nm

[woofy]

Software disabling though is a direct marketing gimmick much like the disabling of things like cornering lights etc, that can be turned back on. I really wonder whether CCZA "really" does limit it to 147kW or whether it just says it does. Only a Skoda/VW tech or a tuner I guess could say for sure. The suspicion has been that Skoda have been subtley allowed to still have the 154kW but officially say its at 147kW. There was someone here a while back I though who found they have more power than they let on, I think it might have been Brad with the 118kW though actually.

[spellbound]

Software disabling though is a direct marketing gimmick much like the disabling of things like cornering lights etc, that can be turned back on. I really wonder whether CCZA "really" does limit it to 147kW or whether it just says it does. Only a Skoda/VW tech or a tuner I guess could say for sure. The suspicion has been that Skoda have been subtley allowed to still have the 154kW but officially say its at 147kW. There was someone here a while back I though who found they have more power than they let on, I think it might have been Brad with the 118kW though actually.

APR quote identical EA888 stage 1 upgrade power figures of 189kw and 402 nm for both RS and GTI , makes you think they are both 155kw at the factory gate .

[brad]

There was someone here a while back I though who found they have more power than they let on, I think it might have been Brad with the 118kW though actually.

Indeed.
The EA888 1.8TSI which supposedly has 118kw out of the box. When I was researching which tune to get, if the tune company had put their own dyno chart (instead of the default VW chart), they were coming out with 120-125kw at the flywheel. The grain of salt you needed to take was that it was a "corrected" graph & the measurement was at the wheels.

Of course, it was in the tuners interest to use the lower figures of the VW graph as they could then claim a bigger percentage power increase over "stock".

I have no idea why they would understate the figure unless in some markets it made a big difference to registration costs or insurance or it impinged on one of the other VW models. At the time, the 1.4 twincharger was 125kw IIRC - not sure if that was the reason.

[Tuan]

Guys, can someone tell me what the air filter (engine) code is for a 2012 Octy VRS FL CCZA or where I can find it ?

Are there different filters between the TFSI and TSI ?

I'll check the manual tonight when I get home. Cheers.

[dArK5HaD0w]

Guys, can someone tell me what the air filter (engine) code is for a 2012 Octy VRS FL CCZA or where I can find it ?

Are there different filters between the TFSI and TSI ?

I'll check the manual tonight when I get home. Cheers.

i'm fairly certain there are differences with the air filters between the TFSI and TSI engines.
i don't have part numbers though. will c if i can find them later tonight.

[Tuan]

Thanks mate .. I need to also take a look in my manual to see that page with the piece of paper with the codes/numbers.

Mines should be the TSI CCZA (08-12) as opposed to the TFSI BWA (05-0 .. damn it's hard to find things on google nowadays because this is too much information !

my guess it that it should also be able to use the mk6 Golf GTI air filter..