Anyone had issues with clutch wear after a stage 1 flash?

[Pullstarter]

Hey guys,
I have a 2008 RS wagon with about 120k's on it and was thinking of doing an APR Stage 1 flash. Has anyone had clutch wear issues after getting this done? Had the Stage 2 flash done in my MKVI GTI and needed a new clutch within 12 months (a very expensive affair )

Not sure whether to risk it or not?

Cheers
Simon

[tigger73]

Manual or DSG?

Certainly on the MK7 guys are frying manual clutches. The DSG seems to take the additional torque a lot better.

[Pullstarter]

Manual or DSG?

Certainly on the MK7 guys are frying manual clutches. The DSG seems to take the additional torque a lot better.

Mine's a manual, as was the GTI. Only got about 10k out of the standard clutch after the Stage 2 flash Although I had a stage 1 flash in my manual Tiguan with no issues at all. Maybe the older generation clutches are a bit more heavy duty?

[tigger73]

Mine's a manual, as was the GTI. Only got about 10k out of the standard clutch after the Stage 2 flash Although I had a stage 1 flash in my manual Tiguan with no issues at all. Maybe the older generation clutches are a bit more heavy duty?

It's possible the manual Tiguan has a heavier duty clutch with a higher torque rating due to towing capacity of the Tig (2200kg). Compared to the GTI/RS which have lower towing capacity (1600kg).

Given that the DSG in the Tiguan is the stronger DQ500 it would follow that the manual would be a heavier duty clutch also. But that's just going by the vehicle weight and towing capacity.

[dArK5HaD0w]

Touch wood - so far so good for me. No issues.
MY11 DSG TSI.

Feb 2013 - Stage 1
Aug 2013 - Stage 2+
Feb 2014 - DSG Performance Tune

Still smiling ear to ear everytime I jump behind the wheel 😁

[Yagadan]

2015 mkIII RS.
My clutch started slipping after ~10000kms with a tuning box.
And I'm no hoon.
Weak ass clutch


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[tigger73]

2015 mkIII RS.
My clutch started slipping after ~10000kms with a tuning box.
And I'm no hoon.
Weak ass clutch


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That's a very common story with the new MQB platform cars. If you have a manual and tune it, then you also need to budget on replacing the clutch.

I think the new engines just make more power/torque than the old ones.

[Pullstarter]

I'm not sure if the older TFSI models may have had a stronger clutch than the later models? Or maybe the newer engines produce more torque than the older ones when flashed? The current model clutches certainly don't seem to handle it

[dArK5HaD0w]

I'm not sure if the older TFSI models may have had a stronger clutch than the later models? Or maybe the newer engines produce more torque than the older ones when flashed? The current model clutches certainly don't seem to handle it

not sure about the clutch packs specifically, but i believe the new mk3 rs (and mk7 gti) use the same DSG DQ250 transmission, which is officially rated at 350nm. the same DQ250 is mapped slightly differently to match the Gen3 EA888 TSI engine, but its essentially the same hardware.

with the stg 2+, the Gen1 EA888 TSI engine, its pushing out approx 465nm, and 278 horses (207 kw) with the same transmission. well, that's the figures apr claims. i haven't done a dyno yet.
in addition, the dsg performance tune i got modifies the torque limiter and increases torque capacity to 450 – 500nm.
with the dsg tune, the clutch shudder is dramatically reduced. It also means a longer life of gearbox and clutch packs, less clutch slip.

[h100vw]

not sure about the clutch packs specifically, but i believe the new mk3 rs (and mk7 gti) use the same DSG DQ250 transmission, which is officially rated at 350nm. the same DQ250 is mapped slightly differently to match the Gen3 EA888 TSI engine, but its essentially the same hardware.

with the stg 2+, the Gen1 EA888 TSI engine, its pushing out approx 465nm, and 278 horses (207 kw) with the same transmission. well, that's the figures apr claims. i haven't done a dyno yet.
in addition, the dsg performance tune i got modifies the torque limiter and increases torque capacity to 450 – 500nm.
with the dsg tune, the clutch shudder is dramatically reduced. It also means a longer life of gearbox and clutch packs, less clutch slip.

The car is manual, clutches fall over on K04 cars all the time. Not so much on the k03.

Gavin