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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth View Post
    Yeah, but trading out, by definition, would see cars delivered and contracts fulfilled, so such deposit holders would get their money's worth.

    Even so, a creditor owed a $500 deposit is not going to have much sway in a creditors' meeting with at least one bank and other financiers and creditors owed, most likely, tens of millions of dollars.
    Trading out means that they sell cars to NEW buyers. Unfortunately, that's the way it works.

    Earlier this year, one of my clients got caught up with Clive Peters. He had paid a deposit on a new widescreen TV, then CP went belly up. They were still trading and selling floor stock when the liquidators moved in, yet he was not able to change his order for one of the floor stock units. He could buy a floor stock unit outright, but what he paid as a deposit on the TV he wanted could not be taken off the price of a new purchase. He lost his total deposit.

    Trading out is to maximise the return to the secured creditors. As such, fulfilling existing orders that might have been heavily discounted to get stock moving is not going to achieve as much as selling stock held (even if a deposit was taken on it) with no discount.

    One unsecured creditor might not have much sway voting at a creditors meeting, but it is amazing how one person speaking out can change the mood of such a meeting. When I got caught up in such a mess, at the first meeting we were told we would get 75 cents in the dollar if things were wound up immediately. We were told that if we let the business trade out this return would be higher. We foolishly believed this and around 12 months later ended up with less than 20 cents in the dollar. Any creditor can issue a wind up notice (something I learned about well after the loss I suffered).

    My accountant refers to liquidators/receiver managers as the "black sheep of the accounting profession". Apparently when they get their degree, they hand over their souls. They act in the interests of the secured creditors only. The rest get to fight over the scraps.

    The thing about deposits is that you only ever put down a deposit if the amount is what you are prepared to lose. If you are not prepared to lose the deposit, then don't put it down. Unfortunately you must do this at times, so put the absolute minimum down. Increasing the deposit will NOT get you your purchase any sooner (no matter what you are told).

    You can get good people in business but they are rare.

    Way back in 1982 I bought my first colour TV. I got a bank cheque and took it over to the store on Thursday evening and was told that I would have it delivered on Monday. On Friday morning I received a call from the salesman who informed me that they were under instructions to take all monies offered, even though they were to be placed in administration the next day. He wanted to confirm my address as he had not actually processed the cheque, but held it. A few days later I received the cheque. Now $800 back in 1982 was a lot of money. Unfortunately this is probably very unlikely to happen now.

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    Apparently Rick Damelian Skoda is the only section of the dealership to not be placed into receivership.
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    there is another skoda dealer opening in parramatta and possibly alexandria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake02 View Post
    Apparently Rick Damelian Skoda is the only section of the dealership to not be placed into receivership.
    The problem for the Rick Damelian brand name is "who will be the first to put down a deposit on a car from them"? I know I would not. That's the problem when you have these mega dealers handling multiple brands. Failure of even just one brand affects all the brands of the dealership. Maybe manufacturers will take the lead and force them to operate completely independently with unique dealership names.

    By the way, this is what has affected Clive Peters after Harvey Norman bought the remains. The name was tainted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wai View Post


    The problem for the Rick Damelian brand name is "who will be the first to put down a deposit on a car from them"?
    I know and I agree, I'm just saying that they're not in receivership weirdly.

    And Buzuki, really?
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    Looks like they've already removed Rick Damelian from the dealer network on the Skoda Australia website. Lucky, as I was about to order a DSG RS from them in August but ended up buying an immediate delivery Manual from Northshore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake02 View Post
    I know and I agree, I'm just saying that they're not in receivership weirdly.

    And Buzuki, really?
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    Yes. I work for the company that is opening it. 1st will be parramatta in roughly a month or so. They came to our dealership to see how things run and what they need to get the ball rolling.

    And alexandria is a maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzuki View Post
    And alexandria is a maybe.
    Surely this collapse, if Skoda eventually goes from Damelian's too, makes Alexandria more likely? As it is, if Damelian's aren't servicing any longer, my next service trip (luckily not til January) may be to Rockdale....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wai View Post
    Trading out means that they sell cars to NEW buyers. Unfortunately, that's the way it works.
    I take your points however ccording to today's Herald, Ferrier's have said they will honour orders taken by Rick Damelian.

    In any event, it would not make sense to not honour orders unless the deposit exceeded the gross margin on the car. Nor do I believe the major car distributors involved would allow consumers to be out of pocket having ordered one of their products as the reputational implications could be quite severe (eg if you order an XYZ you could lose your deposit).

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    My rego, CTP and therefore service is all due in Sept. I was so close to booking it in to RD because they are on the way to work and I know the CFO. I'll have to give him a call to see what's happening.

    It's a shame, as there is no-one around the Concord area. Parramatta might be OK I guess.
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