Reports of Bora unreliablity??

[gavs]

[QUOTE=torque;349855] Electrics are weak and cheap compared to the Audi ( but that is for all VW ) , but nothing is a deal breaker. QUOTE]


Um, they're the same electrical systems, just a few different exterior panels and the interior differentiate between the A3 and Golf. I also believe that up until the last update of the A3, Audi were still offering a derivative of the often lamented MkIV Golf 1.6 engine....

[BI65ND]

Electrics are weak and cheap compared to the Audi ( but that is for all VW ) , but nothing is a deal breaker.

Dont know why you think this, Ive got glove box, CD players and a few other panels off mine at the moment - putting a sound system in - and all the wires are stamped with both VW and Audi logos on them! And yes I know its the same company, but I hardly think theyre going to change them

[qsilverza]

Yeh Torque, I hang around with a lot of AUDI owners and am an AUDI owner myself having had an a4 avant 2.6 and now an older 80cc and 80 Quattro and the general concensus is whether it be by ignorance or brand superiority is that Audi's are somehow manufactured in the land of OZ and VW's in a backyard.

I do admit that generally everything is that much nicer because more money is being spent but the general underpinnings of the car's is the same for e.g.

Bora V6/Audi tt 3.2/audi tt 225 quattro/Audi s3/Golf R32 all share very similar/exact underpinnings. My drivetrain/haldex diff/gearbox/brakes etc etc all have VW and AUDI logos stamped on the parts.

So yes, I also tend to disagree with the wiring statement.

[torque]

Yeh Torque, I hang around with a lot of AUDI owners and am an AUDI owner myself having had an a4 avant 2.6 and now an older 80cc and 80 Quattro and the general concensus is whether it be by ignorance or brand superiority is that Audi's are somehow manufactured in the land of OZ and VW's in a backyard.

I do admit that generally everything is that much nicer because more money is being spent but the general underpinnings of the car's is the same for e.g.

Bora V6/Audi tt 3.2/audi tt 225 quattro/Audi s3/Golf R32 all share very similar/exact underpinnings. My drivetrain/haldex diff/gearbox/brakes etc etc all have VW and AUDI logos stamped on the parts.

So yes, I also tend to disagree with the wiring statement.

I just sold the mk4 Golf, and it was virtually like new condition with 60k kays ...

Same generation ( ok the Audi is the facelift 2001 , one year younger ) and the VW compared to the Audi ; using watches which I own as analogy : feels like the cheap knockoff chinese replica compared to an original TAG Heuer watch ( I have one of each too, difference is exactly the same )

I also owned a Golf Mk2 diesel, mk3 diesel in Europe, and Audi 80 , audi 100, audi A4, a beemer and many more French cars...

The 4 rings has always been standing out; electrics, plastics used, and the robust feel is there.

I fixed more golfs than most people here as I had a workshop in Europe... I know how they are, trust me; and I still think they are a good car, not saying otherwise

[torque]

I will go further and say that before buying my M3 I did some test drives in 330Ci E46 , 325Ci E92 and newer models from BMW.

Let me tell you none of them comes close to the solid feel of the Audi interior; the plastics just feel cheap(er).

OK, the engines are superb and so is the steering and so is the stability ( the M3 has an amazingly well designed steering rack, it is rock stable at any speed ... you need to really stuff up to upset it ).

But, again, if you are looking for reliability and quality there is one answer : Audi.

[Manaz]

I know it's offtopic, but meh

Apparently the latest BMWs (Z4 in particular) have taken the interior quality back up to Audi's standards - the new Z4's built in Germany and not the US as the previous model was, and apparently not only is the interior design much nicer than previously, but the quality difference really shows.

This is good for us all, as Audi will now strive to be that little bit better again, and VWs will improve along with it (dragged along as Audi gets better).

[qsilverza]

Did you ever get a chance to drive the Z3 M sport ? I would have liked to have known what they are like comparitively. Probably the M3 has a lot more balance.

I will go further and say that before buying my M3 I did some test drives in 330Ci E46 , 325Ci E92 and newer models from BMW.

Let me tell you none of them comes close to the solid feel of the Audi interior; the plastics just feel cheap(er).

OK, the engines are superb and so is the steering and so is the stability ( the M3 has an amazingly well designed steering rack, it is rock stable at any speed ... you need to really stuff up to upset it ).

But, again, if you are looking for reliability and quality there is one answer : Audi.

[torque]

Did you ever get a chance to drive the Z3 M sport ? I would have liked to have known what they are like comparitively. Probably the M3 has a lot more balance.

No... To be honest, I don't like the old Z3 shape... I would not be probably happy with it, plus I need the back seats

The new one is all right though, if you can live with 2 seats .