New Member Chip Or Motec

[kenny21]

Have a look at the motec website for an ecu, www.motec.com.au ude look at the M400 probs or the older M4 Pro. What state u in, cause if u in syd i can show ya how it all works or get u some pricing if u want anyways have a look its an awsome way for ajusting everything u want in ur engine to get the most out of it haha. One of these would be awsome in a gti turbo actually but anyways just have a look and think bout it.

Anyways good luck with it all.

Alex

[FAST GTI]

HOW ABOUT ONE OF THESE !!!!!!
NORMAL WORKS FOR EVERYTHING WHY NOT EURO!!!!!!!!


AFC NEO has taken piggy back style fuel control to a new level. The AFC NEO boasts an incredible 16 points of user definable fuel correction. A complete monitor mode is also available to keep the driver/tuner informed of critical engine data.

Features include:

- Completely new case design
- Compact design
- Incorporates both AFC and VAFC functions in one unit
- 16 point fuel correction
- Color FED display
- User defined button and background colors
- Inverted "anti-glare" screen

Key functions include:

MONITOR MODE-
* RPM
* Throttle
* Battery voltage
* Correction %
* Air flow %
* Pressure
* Karman


SETTING MODE-
* Air map
* Air map graph
* Throttle point
* Deceleration air

ETC MODE-
* Model select
* Mode select
* Car select
* Sensor select
* Analog scale
* Warning set
* Display set
* Sensor check


WHAT DO YA THINK OF IT....

[SoVeReIgN]

Is there anyone that can actually tune it ?

[fuzion]

Golfer,

Thread, mk4.. your on about a mk3?

Mk4 GTI standard is 88-93kw on average at the front wheels
Mk4 GTI chipped (oettinger, giac, revo, chiptuningde) 112-120kw at the front wheels.

Ask any mk4 gti owner who has chipped they're car and they will tell you straight out that it feels like a completely difference car.

Not being rude golfer, but you are talking about a n/a 2.0l mk3 golf. Im unsure what experience u have with mk4 gti's especially but i doubt you have that much otherwise you would of commented on them already so.

Its a definate worthwhile mod getting your mk4 gti chipped, as i said if you are unsure what you want jump in a few members cars as im sure theres a lot of people here and from the vortex who would be happy to take you for a spin so you can feel the differences.

As sov said as well, who will tune it that HAS experience with euro cars? Not a "i tune jap cars, meh.. euro cars not that different" .. eeeeek! lol

If you have a 2.0 mk4, your able to get chip/cam/exhaust/port work done to pull a bit more power. VDUB2C from vortex would be a good person to speak to or EROTAS as they both have and are doing work to they're 2.0l's mk4s as well. I think Erotas is running GIAC at present, head/cam work unsure what else he has done (exhaust too) but his car goes quite well from the last time ive seen it.

Hope that gives you a bit more of an insight.

Take these stats I found on the manufacturer's Australian websites for example...

With a Mk3 2.0L 8v AGG, for both the following mods you are talking serious $$$'s, so how would you spend your money?

GIAC performance chip (on it's own)
- 3.73kw (5hp) gain

Oettinger performance upgrade (includes cam, head work, some intake work, and a chip once it's all done)
- 18kw (24.14hp) gain

IMHO, there is heaps more to modifying cars than just slapping in a chip and driving off into the sunset. If you are truly devoted to upgrading a car to full effect, then a chip is the last thing you should be doing, not the first...

Cheers
JHN

[Golfer]

Thread, mk4.. your on about a mk3?

I take it you have never heard of comparative analysis? I own a Mk3, so quite obviously I would more thoroughly research Mk3's...

Mk4 GTI standard is 88-93kw on average at the front wheels
Mk4 GTI chipped (oettinger, giac, revo, chiptuningde) 112-120kw at the front wheels.

I wonder what sort of HP you would be able to pull if you actually did some modifications to the vehicle???

Ask any mk4 gti owner who has chipped they're car and they will tell you straight out that it feels like a completely difference car.

I am good friends with a Polo GTI owner who has chipped his car. I agree, there is a significant difference. The problem is that the gentleman who started this post, FastGTI, wants to perform real modifications to his car (Air Box, Full Exhaust,bov,intercooler, Injectors, Fuel Pressure Regulator, Upgraded Turbo), and the ECU will have to be remapped again after these mods are done, so why would we give him the advice to chip his car first?

Not being rude golfer, but you are talking about a n/a 2.0l mk3 golf. Im unsure what experience u have with mk4 gti's especially but i doubt you have that much otherwise you would of commented on them already so.

Oh no, it doesn't sound rude at all matey. 2 good mates with Polo GTI's and 1 with a Mk4 GTI. You are right, I dont have much experience with the 1.8T 20V, but then I'm talking from combined the experience of 4 different individuals...

Its a definate worthwhile mod getting your mk4 gti chipped

I wonder if you actually read my post properly? I wasn't bagging putting in a chip, just stating that there is more to modifying a vehicle than chipping it. You can get better gains out of the vehicle by combining the reflash with a set of modifications to help the chip achieve what it's designed to do... What good is a chip if your intake/ after-turbo air is too hot, your exhaust is too restrictive, and your headwork isn't up to the task???

As sov said as well, who will tune it that HAS experience with euro cars? Not a "i tune jap cars, meh.. euro cars not that different" .. eeeeek! lol

How does this have any relevance to my post

If you have a 2.0 mk4, your able to get chip/cam/exhaust/port work done to pull a bit more power. VDUB2C from vortex would be a good person to speak to or EROTAS as they both have and are doing work to they're 2.0l's mk4s as well. I think Erotas is running GIAC at present, head/cam work unsure what else he has done (exhaust too) but his car goes quite well from the last time ive seen it.

Thanks. It's always nice to know people who can help me modify my car. I know that I will be chipping my Golf, but only after I have made the modifications necessary for the chip to work to maximum effect.

Hope that gives you a bit more of an insight.

It was wonderfully insightful. It's always nice to meet a tuning guru

Cheers!!!!!!!
John

[Golf Loon]

Yeah righto Fuzion you seem very knowledgeable, can you direct me to hard facts about outputs of a Golf 4 GTI before chipping, after chip with no extra mods and price of chip. I just want to work out bang for buck stats.

If you compare chip tuning on its own with things like CAI and exhaust on their own, they are a bigger gain for a lot less dollars.

Chip, plus mods is the best of both worlds, which was kinda my point...

[Golf Loon]

LOL posted at same time as Golfer

[fuzion]

Yeah righto Fuzion you seem very knowledgeable, can you direct me to hard facts about outputs of a Golf 4 GTI before chipping, after chip with no extra mods and price of chip. I just want to work out bang for buck stats.

If you compare chip tuning on its own with things like CAI and exhaust on their own, they are a bigger gain for a lot less dollars.

Chip, plus mods is the best of both worlds, which was kinda my point...

Golf,

Heres the most common mods.

Stock FWKW 88-92
Chipped FWKW 105-118
Chipped Modified FWKW 115-130

Common mods; N75J (or H), DV Upgrade, 3" (or 2.5") Downpipe, Exhaust, CAI (AEM+Dry Filter or Cold Air Tubing to Stock Airbox), Turbo Inlet Pipe. FMIC, SMIC Upgrade, Dual SMIC (S3). However a k03 will only get so much!

Chip pricing $1200-1800 (varies chip i guess)
Standalone $1500-3000+

The chips do benefit your modifications, i was 115 with chip only, 120+ with mods.

However if you want more then 125+ kw's most people upgrade to K04 or GT28s as mentioned.

Im sure Seb or Guy (as only two reputuable people regarding chip tuning) hopefully will post with some more information and specifications on upgrades etc.

[99gti]

I agree with fuzion on this. From the research I have down, most of the chips available are complimented by additional mods such as down pipe etc. etc. but the chip still represents the best bang for your bucks.

If your joe blow likemyself who doesn't want a race car every day, then a chip is a very cost efective option for getting significant gains from the car without drawing unwanted attention. Again - this is only what I've discovered from my own investigations and it seems to be a setup that would suit myself best.

If your looking for BIG gains - then clearly this probably wouldn't be a viable option. Getting this thread back on track - if your after BIG gains I think the motec is a better option than a chip due to it's flexibility.

-99

[Langers]

What's A Seb Is That Some Kind Of Performance Part.

Actually, it's the opposite... your wallet is heavier than if you go to the dealer, so you can't run as fast :p