Can someone please convince me to buy a MK4 GTI!

[Pullstarter]

Hey guys,
Looking like the VR6 has gone about as far as I'm willing to take it without spending huge $$$ so i'm looking at getting something newer with more potential.
At the risk of being fiercely berated I've been looking at B4 Liberties and 01-02 rexies. Now I know both of these have more power stock than a MK4 GTI so my question is, how much do I need to spend on a GTI to get it up to subie pace? I would much rather stay with a dub but funds are limited, otherwise I'd buy a MK5 GTI and be done with it but the bank account won't take it
So guys, whats needed to get a MK4 GTI up around the 0-100 in 6 seconds bracket?

Cheers
Simon

[Golf Houso]

Chip, intake and exhaust, Your looking at 6.7 - 6.4 depending on how well you can drive. Thats the one I've been in more than enough times...

They're a great buy, and are better than a MK3 in every way except sound and perhaps your personal preference, a proper upgrade in vehicle.

[Manaz]

If you go with a B4, you're going to have to deal with what gets called the "VOD" or Valley of Death", which is the dip in apparently torque as the engine switches to the second turbo and the first one slows down slightly before the second one is up to speed). The interior of B4s is also a bit "polarising" - people either love it or hate it. If you go auto, I've driven Subarus for quite some time now, and I'm not a fan of their auto gearboxes, I find them crude and poorly programmed.

WRX - why? They may be fast, but they're not a nice car - most have povo-pack interiors. It also doesn't help that they have built up quite a reputation as being driven by ****heads.

[Treza360]

The other thing which was a big selling point for me in terms of brand allegiance, is that the Japanese for the most part can't do sport luxury to save their lives.
If you get a GTI, spend a little bit on some mods to make it reasonably quick, you're then going to have a good looking quick hatch with a fantastic and relatively luxurious interior.
Remember you're not going to be hammering the car all the time (unless you're just buying a weekend car), so sitting in traffic driving to work and home etc, I know where I'd rather be.
Cheers,
Trent

[Pullstarter]

Thanks guys, yeah the B4 interior is pretty ugly LOL. Was probably leaning more toward a rex, they seem to be pretty good bang for your buck. I know a lot of "ulehs" drive them but mine would not have chrome ANYWHERE lol.

Think I will do some research on chipping etc and see what sorta gains you can expect there.

Thanks for your help guys

[DUB 20V]

Thanks guys, yeah the B4 interior is pretty ugly LOL. Was probably leaning more toward a rex, they seem to be pretty good bang for your buck. I know a lot of "ulehs" drive them but mine would not have chrome ANYWHERE lol.

Think I will do some research on chipping etc and see what sorta gains you can expect there.

Thanks for your help guys

imo if you use the same kind of modding as you would on a golf, and put it into a wrx it would be clean and nice with way more power than a mk4 unless you have a big wallet.

[Manaz]

The other thing which was a big selling point for me in terms of brand allegiance, is that the Japanese for the most part can't do sport luxury to save their lives.

This I disagree with.

Any of the recent GT (once they went to the 2.5L turbo) or 3.0R Liberties show that Japan can do a pretty good sports luxury car - the 5-speed auto, whilst not perfect, is better than the 4-speed in the older/cheaper ones, and the 6-speed manuals are nice.

The GT and 3.0R Spec-B are too harshly sprung for Australian roads, but that's the fault of ****house Australian roads - and the sportier VW cars suffer from it as well.

All that said, I could have bought a Liberty, but I bought my Bora V6 4Motion...

[No457 Snowy]

I would much rather stay with a dub but funds are limited

If that's really true then just get a MK4 GTI. For not a lot of cash on mods you can have a very comfortable and quick Euro hatch.

Why is it so important that it be quicker than a Rex? You already have a soft spot for Dubs because you know they are great cars, who cares if some immature dropkick claims bragging rights over you because his cop-attracting rice burner is 0.216 seconds quicker to 100?

Life's a bit more meaningful than that.

Snowy.

[DaveMack]

B4 is slooooooow compared to an APR Polo ... trust me on this. (Same engine as Mk4 GTI - chipped)

Dave

[Pullstarter]

If that's really true then just get a MK4 GTI. For not a lot of cash on mods you can have a very comfortable and quick Euro hatch.

Why is it so important that it be quicker than a Rex? You already have a soft spot for Dubs because you know they are great cars, who cares if some immature dropkick claims bragging rights over you because his cop-attracting rice burner is 0.216 seconds quicker to 100?

Life's a bit more meaningful than that.

Snowy.

Jeez snowy that's a bit harsh, can you please go and pick on the "Ive got a big turbo and a small knob" guy again please? We all love speed that's why we're on this forum. However, with limited funds we can't all afford a super quick Euro. Have you got a build up thread for your car? I saw it at the German Autofest in Canberra and it looks hot I must say.

Don't get me wrong I love dubs but I also love quick cars and somewhere in the equation there has to be a value for money component.

As for the meaning of life try to avoid using tinned salmon in your mousse

I guess the other thing I was thinking of was AWD vs FWD, then I started thinking Bora V6 4mo, but from what I read the tuning options and power gains aren't that plentiful. Hmm think I opened another can of worms there LOL.

Thanks for your opinions guys I really do appreciate them. I also wouldn't want to be dubless for the fact that I would miss this forum. Heaps of the guys on here have helped me no end with the VR and it would be good to stay in a dub for this reason alone.