oil type

[Transporter]

What about ones built in may 2006 but without a DPF filter? Also, if the post 2006 can use VW507.00, was the engine redesigned mechanically, otherwise it stands to reason that pre 2006 could also use VW507.00, and therefore also the current VW504/507.
No one has been able to answer this satisfactorily for me even on british forums.

Brian

If yours was made before 7/2006 with no DPF then I would say that you must use VW506.01 .
Do you have AXE engine?

I am using Penrite Enviro 5-30. It meets the 504-507 standards. I use it as my mechanic has an official letter from VW Germany stating that is ok to use.

What year is your T5 and what engine code do you have?

[BrianJ]

If yours was made before 7/2006 with no DPF then I would say that you must use VW506.01 .
Do you have AXE engine?

Yes, its the 2.5 5cly PD engine made in the 5th month. My question still remains, does the early 2006 and later 2006 use different heads, cam shafts, cam followers, injectors? If not then the critical components are the same. It is my view that the only difference made to the VW507.00 oil is that it potentially produces less ash. I do not know of any information released by VW that proves this question one way or the other, and most likely why no one is game to recommend using the non specified oil, but I have been using VW504/507 now for about 30,000km, (total 137,000km) and the engine is sounds and runs exactly the same as when it was new.

Brian

[Transporter]

Yes, its the 2.5 5cly PD engine made in the 5th month. My question still remains, does the early 2006 and later 2006 use different heads, cam shafts, cam followers, injectors? If not then the critical components are the same. It is my view that the only difference made to the VW507.00 oil is that it potentially produces less ash. I do not know of any information released by VW that proves this question one way or the other, and most likely why no one is game to recommend using the non specified oil, but I have been using VW504/507 now for about 30,000km, (total 137,000km) and the engine is sounds and runs exactly the same as when it was new.

Brian

It may take much longer before you could see any symptoms.
Going against the manufacturer's recommendation is not the best thing to do. That's why no oil manufacturer would recommend using VW 504/507.00 . I've noticed that the Penrite oil company scaled down and also changed many their oil recommendations for VAG cars.

Maybe the changes to the top of the engine came at the same time as the DPF and it's easier to say "the one with the DPF can use 504/507" rather than explain the reasons why.

If there would be no 506.01 oil, I would make sure I use LiquiMoly Engine Protect or PROMA MBL8 (but only if there was no LM Engine Protect) in the sump and would do UOA to monitor the engine wear.

[Diesel_vert]

What about ones built in may 2006 but without a DPF filter? Also, if the post 2006 can use VW507.00, was the engine redesigned mechanically, otherwise it stands to reason that pre 2006 could also use VW507.00, and therefore also the current VW504/507.

The type of oil that should be used in relation to the build date is only valid for the V10 TDI engine in the Touareg.

The following is the current VW recommendation for R5 engines in the Transporter:

• Engine codes AXD, AXE and BLJ should use 506 01, irrespective of build date. These engines are not equipped with a DPF.
• Engine codes BNZ and BPC should use 507 00, irrespective of build date. These engines are equipped with a DPF.

Also, consider these points:

• For the Transporter, the 4-cylinder PD engines without a DPF may use 506 01 or 507 00.
• For the Touareg, the V10 engines from 2007 without a DPF may use 506 01 or 507 00.
• But for V10 engines built before 2007 with or without a DPF, use 506 01.
• And likewise in both cars, for the R5 engines without a DPF, use 506 01.

It would appear to me that, if a PD engine without a DPF could use 507 00, I think VW would have said so (like the 4-cyl and post-2007 V10 engines). VW even goes so far as to say to use 506 01 in the V10 engines built before 2007 whether or not it has a DPF.

Yes, its the 2.5 5cly PD engine made in the 5th month. My question still remains, does the early 2006 and later 2006 use different heads, cam shafts, cam followers, injectors? If not then the critical components are the same. It is my view that the only difference made to the VW507.00 oil is that it potentially produces less ash. I do not know of any information released by VW that proves this question one way or the other, and most likely why no one is game to recommend using the non specified oil

This isn't a comprehensive list, but from what I could gather, the pistons, camshafts, valves and injectors of the R5 engine with DPF (BNZ/BPC) have different part numbers to that of the R5 engines without DPF (AXD/AXE/BLJ). However, I'm not sure in what way they physically differ, if at all.

I have been using VW504/507 now for about 30,000km, (total 137,000km) and the engine sounds and runs exactly the same as when it was new.

I highly doubt the differences between the formulation of 506 01 and 507 00 oils is something anyone would be able to notice while it is circulating throughout the engine, much less from behind the wheel.

But having said everything, I hope your engine goes well on 507 00 oil. I think it would make for valuable information for the rest of us.

[Transporter]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 5 cyl. T5 from 7/2006 was delivered in AU with the DPF. So, based on that and to remove the other confusions, it's easier to say that from 7/2006 must use VW507.00. If that's not enough, you could use the rule "no DPF use VW506.01 , with the DPF use VW507.00"

[Diesel_vert]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 5 cyl. T5 from 7/2006 was delivered in AU with the DPF.

They would be the BNZ (96 kW) and the BPC (128 kW) engines then.

So, based on that and to remove the other confusions, it's easier to say that from 7/2006 must use VW507.00. If that's not enough, you could use the rule "no DPF use VW506.01 , with the DPF use VW507.00"

Personally, I think it's easier to go by the engine codes of the R5 TDI in the Transporter:

AXD, AXE, BLJ = 506 01

BNZ, BPC = 507 00

[Sunny43.5]

Sorry to ask whats a 4 cylinder PD engine what does PD stand for ????? dazed and confused .

[Diesel_vert]

PD stands for Pumpe Düse, a VW trademark used to describe their unit injector system, as opposed to a common rail (CR) system.

A search for "Common rail" and "Unit injector" on Wikipedia should explain all.

[Transporter]

They would be the BNZ (96 kW) and the BPC (128 kW) engines then.



Personally, I think it's easier to go by the engine codes of the R5 TDI in the Transporter:

AXD, AXE, BLJ = 506 01

BNZ, BPC = 507 00

I think that many people don't know what their engine code is or where to find it, they will find the production date faster.
Even when I do booking over the phone, I can point them where the VIN is much easier than wanting them to find the engine code.

[BrianJ]

I rechecked my user manuals for my model yesterday and it agrees with what has been stated here that it should use VW506.01 for non DPF and VW507.01 for DPF models within the year of 2006. On another page it has a paragraph which basically states that this was the oil specification as at the time of printing, but over time the oils produced by the oil makers will change, so they then say to guard against this and keep getting the right oil, you must take your car to a genuine VW dealer for servicing and they will take care of this problem.

From what I have seen since owning the car, most dealers wouldn't have a clue what oil they should put in these vans, but that is another oilcan of worms. In other words, it is not necessarily correct that you still need to use VW506 in the future, there may be better oils produced then, unfortunately it is very difficult to know because the manufacturers of the car and the oil tell you nothing.

I did see on a british forum a while back the technical spec sheet for 506 and 507, and all the parameters were similar except for some that were to do with ash. But I am not an oil chemist so its still difficult unless castrol comes out and publicly says that the two oils are interchangeable, and even they are not game to publicly say that probably for fear of being sued if someones engine fails. I might add that my belief is that these engines are more likely to fail due to water in the oil from faulty water pumps than from slightly different oil spec, but without a lot of data gathering this is difficult to prove.

Brian