Do anyone still change the oil after the first 1000km on a new diesel?

[Kachingg]

Out of curiosity, is that Boris?
If so, he put me back onto 15,000km services when I moved to him...my local mechanic had me down to 10,000km.
After a comment somewhere here from Transporter (I think) about "...Shortening today's long service intervals..." I asked Boris if I should have an extra oil (and filter?) change at say 7,500km...he thought I'd be wasting my money. His philosophy seems to be very much to go by the VW book.
I'm still thinking about doing it anyway.

No it's not i use Dandy Volks in Dandenong of course lol
Max is a good no nonsense mechanic does a good job and does not bull**** you or do unnecessary work
As for the 7.5k oil change i asked max his opinion is a waste of money the oil in motor should be good for 30k(they run it for 30k in the vans)so even 15k is not stressing it 7.5k is just a waste of money and your time

[Bryn23]

Hi guys

I am getting a new diesel alltrack in a month i have a specialist vw mechanic that looks after my familys vw's (5 in family total 4 golf's 1 polo) rang him yesterday and from what he has heard he recomended not changing oil till 15,000km (passing up a easy service charge for him to!) will be getting my new car done by him from new so will take his advice

have no issue with doing 15,000km on the oil if it is easy highway km, but i started there thread regarding the first oil change after 1000km like we use to do.

I've heard that these newer engines are more refined, that may be the case, but there is still often swarf and other crap in the oil from run it, VW also confirmed to me that the oil in from factory isn't a run in oil.

I've see it with my own eyes, on other new engines in the last 12 years (Subaru WRX and Liberty GT, Toyota Hilux SR5, Honda CRV, Can Am SxS and a Honda Outboard)

it only cost me $170 for new oil and filter from the VW dealership, as i didn't have time to do it myself. VW don't care how long the engine lasts, as long as it doesn't stuff up under the 3 year warranty, they are happy.

I did check to make sure they changed the oil, i also took a sample of the oil before changing it for my engine history.

oil is cheap, 13-15K on a new engine in 5-8 years time isn't as i plan on keeping this for a while as it will be a campervan.

Do what you feel is right for you.

[Umai Naa!!]

+1 to sticking to the book.

A lot of places say to service it more often. They aren't always interested in the longevity of your engine

[aSimpleLife]

Thanks for the feedback. I always find it very helpful when those more experienced than myself are prepared to offer their input.

There certainly seems to be polar opposite views on this point though....even here.
I understand the comment about non VW specialists.
But I also find it difficult to "trust" VW to be concerned about the life of my engine - they seem to be impervious to any reputation damage regarding the reliability and ongoing cost of their very nice vehicles - it's almost as if they have done a cost benefit analysis and decided it's far more profitable make money on the parts and faster vehicle turnover - and having now climbed to number 1 in the world it would seem they have a point
It's also not so easy for the average punter to measure that reliability and ongoing cost.

In the end I probably will stick to 15k oil changes - mostly because I can't be bothered with the extra effort - and it's not exactly cheap...then I'll whinge my **** off when the engine blows

[weonarok]

Our Golf does the usual 'car' driving which includes the bride's daily drive to work to the occasional road trip, so since new its been on the 15k drip.

However, my Amarok's driving style varies from my daily driver to working its guts out pulling a camper trailer across the Simpson and Fraser etc, so I adjust my oil changes accordingly from the normal 15k down to every 10k if its been doing it hard in hot weather, which is basically what a manual will tell you anyway.

In other words, horses for courses.


"You don't know what you don't know"

Cheers dave

[Sunny43.5]

I agree with Weonarok {Dave } driving situations would be a better indicator of when oil should be changed , the problem with ALL car makers today is that their testing is flawed for starters . The BS about driving cars for 3 weeks in the Nevada summer will never ever relate to real world driving , you only have to look at the debacle of the sealed for life autos . NO one is ever going to convince me that ANY oil / fluid will maintain its viscocity inside an engine or gearbox without some level of decay over time . The words of VW Australias famous head honcho speech to some motoring journos still rings in my head . He was questioned on why VW had recalled 65000 Golfs with DSG autos in Japan . No similar recall was offered for Australians and his answer was the best example of someone shooting themselves in both feet at the same time with one bullet . His answer to the journos "you have to realise Japan is different to Australia it has a hot climate with lots of stop start motoring " Oh dear he should have thought out that answer before opening his mouth , so hot climate not catered for by the testers proved that they don't bother to acknowledge that real world is very different . I know that when I am planning a long trip for work I will change the oil if its been a while since its last service .

[Bryn23]

I still can't believe VW though it was a good idea to have any kind of sealed unit with fluids in it

The must of kept the same engineers that though emissions cheating was a good idea

It does come down to driving conditions though, every car manual I've read has a comment about extreme conditions an the need to change earlier, eta

At also comes down to your beliefs and experiences, none are right or wrong, its your car, your money and your time.

I noticed the new ford mustangs have smart oil sensors, people are getting 3500-7000km before being told to get oil changed on the display.

I would imagine that some of these beauties get some sprited driving, which reduces the life of the oil.

[gldgti]

I still can't believe VW though it was a good idea to have any kind of sealed unit with fluids in it

The must of kept the same engineers that though emissions cheating was a good idea

It does come down to driving conditions though, every car manual I've read has a comment about extreme conditions an the need to change earlier, eta

At also comes down to your beliefs and experiences, none are right or wrong, its your car, your money and your time.

I noticed the new ford mustangs have smart oil sensors, people are getting 3500-7000km before being told to get oil changed on the display.

I would imagine that some of these beauties get some sprited driving, which reduces the life of the oil.

Just FYI on "sealed for life":
This originates from a tax that is levied on vehicles produced in the EU based on the amount of servicing that is required over the product lifetime. By not scheduling a transmission fluid change in the vehicles standard service schedule, a portion of the tax is not paid. This also accounts for the longer service intervals for engine oil.

Looking at ot from a corporate accountants perspective, its plain to see why you would do it - simple enough to say that no servicing is required for the warranty period of the vehicle. Even ZF reccommend to change the ATF in their automatics every 60,000miles, which is basically what the warranty period for a VAG group car is.

From their perspective, they dont care what happens after 100,000km.

People thinking all these problems have anything to do with engineers is plain wrong. Ultimately it comes down to the bottom line, and THAT is managed by the accountants...

[Sunny43.5]

Accountants fancy name for penny pinching bunch of *****its .

[Umai Naa!!]

"Sealed for life" does not mean it can't be serviced or maintained.

It means the manufacturer has not indicated a service interval for it.

As the old saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.