2.0 TSI questions

[Dutch_T5]

I'm interested in buying a new T5 GP 2.0 TSI but I still need some info. Dealerships in The Netherlands haven't got a 2.0 TSI available for a testdrive so I would have to order one without testing it.

Is the manual gearbox capable of another 100 or so Nm's when the engine gets chipped? Or is DSG7 the only way to go?
How is the torque low down? Good enough for towing?
Did anyone get their TSI tuned already?
How bad is the fueleconomy?
What's the overall feeling about this engine?

Love to hear some feedback.

[IN2VWS]

I don't think we got any TSI 2.0 in Australia. Pretty sure they are all TDI or the V6 petrol motor.

[Sunny43.5]

Yes agree read about that model a couple of years ago and thought what a stormer it would have been but typical VWA decide what they think we want without asking the market place first . I suppose because we are a small market in the world that our opinion does not count . I know when I bought my 2.0 model in 2005 that all it needed to make it as good as the old 2.5 was a turbo .

[Sharkie]

2.0TSI is available in Australia, but in DSG only unlike in Europe where manuals are available.

Typically the manual box will handle extra torque quite well and an extra 100NM won't do any damage but ask the tuners for verification. I have driven the DSG 2.0TSI and thought is was a lovely smooth (and fast!) engine in the T5 GP. Over 1s quicker 0-100km/h than the BiTDI ....

Lots of chipping options available for it and in Aus and Holland, Oettinger would be good. Over 200kw and over 400NM if I recall correctly.

Fuel consumption would be good on the oppen road (<9l/100km) but heavish in town.

I'd love a manual 2.0TSI Multivan. The lack of that engine gearbox combination in Australia has me going down the a conversion route on a Caddy 7 seater where I will have the 2.0TSI and a manual box from a GTI transplanted to get something similar ......

I think the 2.0TSI to be 1 of the great engines of the modern day ..... lots of torque, excellent fuel economy, good perfomance and amazing tuning capabilties!

[Dutch_T5]

Thanks for your reply Sharkie. Yes I think the 2.0 TSI is a great engine. Lots of potential out of the box, frisky and relatively fuel efficient.
To bad engines are getting smaller and smaller. I love the old 2.5 diesel but the 4-pot replacement just doesn't cut it for me. It lacks some soul. So I'm actually stepping away from the diesels because they feel empty.
I'm a manual-man also, even in a van I love revmatching and being in control of every shift.
Great swap you are planning! In here we have Caddy's with the 2.0 TDI that get tuned quite a bit.

Stage 4 gives 265 ps and 470 Nm.

Van Vught Tuning - Volkswagen - Chiptuning, Diagnose, Onderhoud, Tuning

[Sunny43.5]

What a shame that this combination is not available in a standard Transporter Van seems an option only in Multi vans .

[Tig-uan]

I have owned a TSI 2.0 (150kW) DSG7 Multivan since Aug last year.

The out-of-the-box power it has, is near the limits of tyres/suspention. It will smoke its 235 dunlop types even on the move, at 40-50 km/h. Its suspention has very soft bushes (for refinement). So, if you want to go faster, the limiting factor will be tyres and suspention in corners, not the power, so I doubt you will still feel the need to chip it. It only starts lacking in power at freeway speeds as wind resistance builds up due to its larger frontal area.

Overall, the engine has minimal vibrations and is very quiet, as compared to TDIs. It has pull down low, but it is not at its best below 1800 revs, as this is the only range with vibrations and it feels labouring (when accelerating or going up a hill at speed. Gentle cruising at 1400-1600 revs is fine). It is smooth as butter at above 2000 revs.

Fuel use is around 9L on freeways, increasing to 12-13L around (not to busy) town.

I would not risk towing with the DSG model, I am not aware of any actual DGS issues arising from towing, but DSG has been considered a weak spot for VWs. Lucky you can order a manual. The DSG is probably faster at 0-100km/h sprint, but with a manual you can keep it in the best rev range more easily.

[Sunny43.5]

Stop it you are making me drool at the corners of my mouth !! PS yes not a fan of DSG .

[Dutch_T5]

Good to hear Tig-uan. So the engine is what I expect it to be. The only doubt I have with the manual is it being frontwheeldrive only. If I want to order 4Motion, it comes with the DSG7 transmission. No manual option.
If the car is lacking grip I'm just wondering what it will be with more power or with a trailer attached to it. Hmmmz....

[Tig-uan]

Dutch_T5, the TSi only lacks grip when pushed hard. It is, though, better than many competing vans. If you are not pushing it, the grip issue mainly happens if you want to take off fast in the wet. Then it will easily spin the fronts (with pronounced axel tramp).

In terms of your dilemma of 4Motion with DSG versus FWD manual. "4Motion with DSG" would be a better choice as it will resolve the traction issue, which will be exarcibated by a trailer or wet climate. To prolong lifespan of the DGS clutches, the technique I use it to let it move off slowly (to gently engage the 1st gear) then go faster.
In terms of "FWD manual", if your trailer use is only occasional, or climate is mostly dry, then the manual should be a fun choice. Also, go for the manual if your financial situation could not handle a DSG failure.