seat gti motor?

TassieGTi · 03-07-2005, 11:43 AM

Some people rave about the ABF 16V, but I would doubt that on the road you would notice the extra 11hp and 11ft.lbs of torque?

1.8 KR 16V (US spec)
123hp @ 5800rpm
120ft.lbs @ 4250rpm

1.8 16V (Euro)
139hp @ 6100rpm
124ft.bs @ 4600

ABF 2.0 16V
150hp @ 6000rpm
135ft.lbs

Many of the KR 16v you would find in Australia would be US spec and would require Euro cams to bump the power up to 139hp.

Difference between ABF 16V and 9A 16V:
digifant 3.0, Rods are 15mm longer(159 vs. 144), block is 16mm taller(236mm vs. 220).
Different cams, narrower intake ports on ABF/9A than KR/PL, better exhaust ports on ABF/9A than KR/PL.
ABF uses 35 mm long valve guides, KR/PL uses 38 mm.
ABF uses different inlet and exhaust valves (95,5 and 97,95 mm long) than KR/PL (95,5 and 98,2 mm long).
ABF uses VR6 valve spring retainers, Longer cambelt for the 16.5mm higher block. ABF uses a welded tube exhaust manifold, KR/PL uses cast exhaust manifold

**DOHCDAVE** · 03-07-2005, 12:03 PM

TassieGTi thank you for the extra stats .
Any cams out there to suit PL 16v and could i go a stronger cam to bump it up any higher

And I know there are cams, but just wondering any local eg. Aus

TassieGTi · 03-07-2005, 03:36 PM

As you would be aware there are plenty of options in the way of cams. Piper, Schrick and Kent would be the best option, but are very very expensive once you get them from the UK. US made Euro spec cams are a little cheaper, but still around $500. Best option is to try and find a pair of standard euro 16v cams to bump the output to 139hp. Would not be easy to come by in Aus. With a few mods, you would be hitting the 150hp mark as achieved by the ABF.

20v kit car · 04-07-2005, 05:47 PM

tassiegti on paper you may think theres not alot of diff between the 2 engines...from my experience with both engines in stock and modified combos the abf blows the door handles off a stk 16v...the preformance potential of the abf normally aspirated is up to nearly 200kw thats over 270hp..of course the internals are also heavily modified tio acheive this result. at this point the stk g/box has already cried enough!!!!!, as the sounds of marbles in a tin can echo in your ears,, the stk box is good for 200-240hp..its the other parts of the drive line which also suffer cv's ,uprights, wheel bearings etc.have to think what ABF stands for absolute bum?????? cheers steve

TassieGTi · 04-07-2005, 08:18 PM

No doubt of its potential to be tuned. In standard form I think alot of it is psychological. Tell someone your engine is highly modified when it's not and they'll jump out thinking it is awesome!! My mate has had his VR6 chip tuned to 200hp and mine remains standard! You can't tell the difference on the road! Out on the race track you might notice improved lap times on a std 16v, your average Jo Blo would hardly notice the difference! People get too caught up in figures on paper when there are so many other factors to consider! If you can get hold of a 16V in Aus, bang it in and enjoy the drive!