What have you done with your Polo so far (and today)

[Polo_GTI]

360nm torque!...lots of luck with the DSG gearbox. Keep us posted on how it performs.

I think he means after the DSG tune, the box will be rated to 360nm of torque, not he's going to be putting 360nm torque through it

[gavs]

Look, I understand what you're saying it's not good for the car in a long period of time. I'm not going to do this all the time. it just comes with the tune.

But let me make you understand a (Polo GTi 6r) dsg gearbox at a set of lights and you tell me if you wont get annoyed. You are in S mode and waiting till the light goes green... you see it go green ... you hit throttle ... for that 2-3 seconds after you hit throttle your car feels like it needs to tell everything to go. but that 2-3 seconds is critical.

I wanted to know if anyone else had this install or know something that i dont. (My Polo is my pride and joy), This upgrade which i have done a lot of research. It doesn't just give you launch control it provides better shift response, Increased redline, and changes the D/S mode gearing if you haven't noticed when you are driving the gears chage to 7th gear quite quickly so the gearing is longer so ur on boost quicker. Also your torque limit increased to 500Nm.

So its something that is better for our cars (I think) if you are planning to modify you car.
This is just what i know of the DSG tune and wanted to see if anyone else could add there 2 cents.

Thanks.

TorqueSteer, I think you might want to revisit your comment "This upgrade which i have done a lot of research" because in no way do Harding Performance advertise "Launch Control" as part of the DSG tune for the DQ200 DSG.

DQ 200 (7 speed dry clutch – Golf TSI, Polo, Skoda 118 etc)

Performance Software:

Standard recommended upgrade pack: Recommended retail $995-00

- Custom D and S programs
- 1st gear Re-activation
- Less unwanted downshift on light acceleration

All new 7-speed DSG’s with dry clutch have software “compromises”. They shift overly early, and do not make great use of 1st gear. This causes annoying vibrations when the DSG shifts from 1st to 2nd gear, slow reaction on the throttle from low rpm and low speeds, possible damage to transmission & excessive wear on the dual mass flywheel & clutch packs.

Surveyed customers tend not to use “S” mode as it holds the gear far too long for regular city driving, and find “D” mode too lazy.

Our new software solves this problem.

In D Mode we give you much better drivability, and the S mode becomes much more useful. When driving in D, most 1.4TSI’s shift over to 7th gear at 58km/h, we set this to 78km/h. This means the car will not drive at the super low 1150rpm anymore. The engine will stay above 1400rpm. No noticeable change in fuel consumption.

1st gear reactivation, the 7 speed DSG’s do not use 1st gear any longer, only when taking off from a complete standstill. This causes abnormal wear & shuddering in the clutch packs (particularly the 1st to 2nd gear change). When driving below 17km/h the throttle response is poor as the gear is too high & RPM too low. Our software uses first gear for speeds up to 17kmph.

Other options: (add more than one option and the price becomes $199 per option)

- Torque limiter delete $299-00
- Torque capacity threshold upgrade up to 350Nm $299-00
- Max. shifting RPM $299-00
- Raised downshift rpm $299-00

Our standard package is recommended for most "enthusiasts", the other "options" are really for someone who is pushing the limits or who have a custom request.

If you have a race specific application or big turbo application, then tied with in with different engine remapping, we should have a transmission solution for you.


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DQ 250 (6 speed wet clutch – Golf GTI, TDI, R, Audi S3, Skoda VRS etc)

Performance Software:

Standard recommended upgrade pack: Recommended retail $1295

- Custom D and S programs
- Torque capacity upgrade to 450-500Nm
- Upgraded clutch clamping
- Less unwanted downshift on light acceleration
- Shifting time (only applicable for early models)
- Manual Mode upshift control
- Modified launch control rpm


The DQ250 transmission in standard form suffers from much unwanted downshift. When we increase the torque output & improve the torque curve with chip tuning, then the unwanted downshift can be a bigger annoyance. With light acceleration, the DSG tends to downshift 1 to 3 gears; this causes delays (lag). After carrying out our software upgrade, the throttle response is greatly improved and the car will accelerate using low rpm torque in a higher gear, instead of shifting down and using high rpm horsepower in a lower gear. No lag because of an unwanted shift, but immediate response on the throttle.

The DSG Torque limiter is increased, depending on the transmission model, we increase the torque limiter between 50 and 150NM depending on application. We also have custom applications for big turbo conversions.

Clutch life will be extended with less slip due to the upgraded clutch clamping option.


Other options: (add more than one option and the price becomes $199 per option)

- Torque limiter full delete $299-00
- Max. shifting RPM increased $299-00
- Raised downshift rpm $299-00
- Custom new generation files for old models $299-00


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DQ 500 (7 speed wet clutch – TTRS, VW Transporter T5.5, Tiguan 2012 etc)

Performance Software:

Standard recommended upgrade pack: Recommended retail $1195

- Custom D and S program
- Re-activation of 1st gear
- Raised downshift rpm
- Less unwanted downshift on light acceleration

Most of new 7-speed DSG’s the factory software is far less than optimal. They shift very early and do not use first gear unless moving off from a complete stop. This causes poor reaction on the throttle from low rpm and low speeds, also shudder and possible damage to gearbox and flywheel.

Our new software resolves these issues. The D program will give a much better drivability to the car, and the S program will become much more useful. When driving in D normally the car drives in 7th gear at 80km/h, this will become 6th gear. Therefore the rpm at 80km/h will become +/- 1450rpm instead of the original 1200rpm. No noticeable change in fuel consumption.

Other options: (add more than one option and the price becomes $199 per option)

- Torque limiter full delete $299-00
- Torque capacity threshold upgrade to ~ 700Nm $299-00
- Modified launch control rpm $299-00
- Max. shifting RPM increased $299-00


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PERFORMANCE HARDWARE

DQ 250 (6 speed wet clutch – Golf GTI, TDI, R, Audi S3, Skoda VRS etc)

SSP 600whp clutch pack set $2295-00
SSP Hi Temp Viton clutch basket seal set $795-00
SSP 10 litre Performance DSG Oil (5.5 litres required for a change) $695-00

STANDARD HARDWARE

Dual Mass Flywheels -
Mechatronics unit – New (12 months warranty)
Mechatronics unit – Reconditioned (3 months warranty)
New DSG transmissions (12 months warranty)
Reconditioned DSG transmissions (3 months warranty)


SPECIAL SERVICES

Custom single mass DSG flywheels for race use (DQ250)

Mechatronics reprogramming service

• Installation of used mechatronics that needs to be flashed with correct software
• Custom software for long gears, off road modes etc
• Allows use of similar transmissions already in stock


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This program will be available through our nationwide dealer network, please email any inquiries to info@hp.net.au or call us on 1300 730 949

That is written by Guy Harding himself and nowhere does it mention launch control on the DQ200.

Launch control is not feasible because it is very, very easy to toast the f*ck out of the clutches not being encased in oil to disipate the heat required from the controlling of the perfect amount of clutch slip vs.take up etc.

The only way to get launch control on your polo GTI is to sell it and buy a DSG Golf GTI.

In relation to the torque limit increase, the weak point is the clutches in the drivetrain, they can only handle so much torque and with any ECU tune, the peak torque figures are not going to be occuring until 3200rpm or later so 95% of your daily driving is not going to be subjecting the clutches to any extra strain outside of what they are used to. So long as you are in the right gear for the demand you are placing on the clutches, there won't be any issues. yes, you are more likely to burn the clutches out quicker but this is the price you pay, even with manual gearboxes. Difference is, clutch packs in the DSG are around $2500, not $500.

[alexaescht]

The only way to get launch control on your polo GTI is to sell it and buy a DSG Golf GTI.

Sounds like a cheap upgrade

[nomadx38]

Haha I think in the end it is a cheep upgrade. I have had 2 clutch packs and a mechatronics unit replaced, which total up to about 10k in repairs so far (clutch packs are 2500$ and a mechatronics unit is about 4900$). Once you do a DSG tune you can say goodbye to your warrantee and hello to ridiculously expensive repair costs.

On that note my gearbox is still F**ked so we can rule out clutches and mechatronics unit been the fault. After the solenoids settled down the gearbox is acting just like it did before, dropping the 2nd (K2) clutch on gear changes. I think I just got the biggest dud, just my luck!!!

[TorqueSteer]

TorqueSteer, I think you might want to revisit your comment "This upgrade which i have done a lot of research" because in no way do Harding Performance advertise "Launch Control" as part of the DSG tune for the DQ200 DSG.



That is written by Guy Harding himself and nowhere does it mention launch control on the DQ200.

Launch control is not feasible because it is very, very easy to toast the f*ck out of the clutches not being encased in oil to disipate the heat required from the controlling of the perfect amount of clutch slip vs.take up etc.

The only way to get launch control on your polo GTI is to sell it and buy a DSG Golf GTI.

In relation to the torque limit increase, the weak point is the clutches in the drivetrain, they can only handle so much torque and with any ECU tune, the peak torque figures are not going to be occuring until 3200rpm or later so 95% of your daily driving is not going to be subjecting the clutches to any extra strain outside of what they are used to. So long as you are in the right gear for the demand you are placing on the clutches, there won't be any issues. yes, you are more likely to burn the clutches out quicker but this is the price you pay, even with manual gearboxes. Difference is, clutch packs in the DSG are around $2500, not $500.

Firstly its not Harding performance I'm getting the tune from.
Secondly, I realise that I made a mistake on the torque I know now what it means and I know it's expensive to fix. You said you can't put launch control on the polo's unless i sell it and buy a golf. You are wrong because the guy who is doing mine has put it on 2 polo's before mine but he also told me it all depends if it's in the computer if it can support it . with the new polo's some have it . some don't . but it is possible . I won't know if I will have it or not till Friday and if you guys who own the Polo GTi 6r's if you haven't noticed the lag when you take of at stand still for that 2 secnds. For this tune it will minamise the lag by half when you take of at stand still. To be honest with you gavs if I don't have launch control I don't mind it's not why I'm getting this tune . I understand its bad and not good for the car but I am getting this tune for other reasons.

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[gavs]

No worries mate, I know of 2 companies that do the dsg tuning, HP being one of them so obviously there is a 3rd out there.

Hopefully it works out for you.

[gavs]

Haha I think in the end it is a cheep upgrade. I have had 2 clutch packs and a mechatronics unit replaced, which total up to about 10k in repairs so far (clutch packs are 2500$ and a mechatronics unit is about 4900$). Once you do a DSG tune you can say goodbye to your warrantee and hello to ridiculously expensive repair costs.

On that note my gearbox is still F**ked so we can rule out clutches and mechatronics unit been the fault. After the solenoids settled down the gearbox is acting just like it did before, dropping the 2nd (K2) clutch on gear changes. I think I just got the biggest dud, just my luck!!!

Fault in the ecu programming and or the software for the dsg which would in turn destroy the clutch packs and make it look like the mech unit is faulty.

[nomadx38]

I guess it's possible Gavs but am I to assume the software for the DSG is re flashed when a new mechatronics unit is installed because the mechatronics contains the ECU for the gearbox?

Does make me wonder though. I never had this problem until I got my first set of clutches replaced and they put the 37g7 update on. The thing most upsetting is it appears to only be me with the problem

[BTJ]

Reading all of this just makes me think "god damn I'm glad I have a manual gearbox"

I feel for you guys who constantly live in fear of a trip to the dealership with your DSG issues. Not cool. not cool at all.

[nomadx38]

As much as I hate having these problems I would never go back to a manual. Don't get me wrong bloody pain in the ass getting this crap looked at but when the box works properly it is a wonderful revolution in gearboxes: smooth, quick, direct feel and most of all way better city driving than a manual.

Yes they are new and have their faults but like anything it will take time to work out these bugs. The common torque converter gearbox had plenty of problems in its 2 speed days but now 20 years later is pretty much flawless. I guess you could say the same about the 6 speed DSG which has had a very good track record since all the recalls.

The real problem is the dealers, they make you jump through hoops just to get the thing looked at...it really just drags things along