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and I would argue that it is not an accident - avaoidable in the base caseOriginally Posted by gavs
2011 Polo GTI - I have it, I Love It!!!!
Candy White 5 Door, Comfort Pack, Audio Pack - RCD 510, Bi-Xenons, Panoramic Sunroof
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Agreed. How would having a car with safety capabilities compared to a 199* falcodore be a bad thing. People who are going to do stupid **** will still do it. I saw a hsv maloo (near my uni- non p plater) and a senator skid out the other day getting off the ringroad after cutting of 3 people without indicating. He was a man in his late 40s I'd guess with a suit on.
Glad my 9n3 gti can be exempt.
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I used to think the same way 4 years ago when still on my P's, then I almost killed myself on the monash freeway in a commodore that had the same power as the polo, granted, it weighed closer to 1500kg but still, if I had proper driver training and knew what I was doing to correct the slide, it wouldn't have been a problem.
My argument is that if a P plater can show full car control, I say give them an F40, hell give them a "widowmaker" (aka Porsche 956) because they will know about car control. The problem isn't the cars, it comes down to the individual driving it and the governments who refuse to admit that they have known all along that driver training is the solution.
Idiots will always kill themselves. The problem is that flog with the p plate on (who I used to be, I'll admit it) dropping burnouts, losing control and clouting the gutter. It is these immature people who nothing about controlling a 1 tonne plus machine that has a contact patch with the road of some 500mm worth of rubber. They are the ones who ruin it for us who have taken the time and spent money on leaning about car control, who like to drive enthusiastically, yet can't because these same flogs wrap themselves around a tree/telephone pole, run over a kid while doing a burnout, kill 4 of their mates, then complain that they can't go and start riots at planned private meets (ala Blockbuster video in Noble Park).
Final point:
No amount of airbags will save you if you launch over a hump in the road at 160-180kph into a telephone pole like the kid in the current TV ads, Norm Robinson's Son. It's called basic physics and it should be mandatory for every kid to be taught it. If you don't understand it, you don't get your license, simple.
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So many arguments by people saying that if the car has the latest safety features, then it's a good thing and it should be exempt from the P Platers ban. What if the P plater doesn't just wrap his car around a tree but smashes into another car? It's about every road users' safety, not just the driver.
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HAHAHA sorry I just can't help it when someone calls the Polo GTI a 'High Powered Sports Car'. At the most it's a 1.4 litre hot hatch with a turbo/supercharger thrown in to bring it up to 2.0 litre performance. Wish it were a sports car though!
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Yes, but we all know what the media hacks are like, especially when the gti is double the output of the 66tdianything to sell a story....
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What relevance does market category, specific power output and displacement have?
Most people would consider 0-100 km/h in 6.9 seconds as fast, regardless of how it's achieved.
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I say let P platers drive Golf TSI cars, but exclude GTI and R...The golf 118 TSI for example, just because it has turbo doesnt mean it is a sports car. It clearly isnt. I asked my Mercedes Benz dealer if a P plater can dirve a C250 CGI, about 150kw turbo 4. The guy said you can apply for exemption because its not a performance car...Because it has "Blue Efficiency" written on it doesnt mean its not a performance car. .A 118TSI golf isnt a performance car either, and has alot less power than a C250, and yet you cant drive it. Whats wrong with the bloody RTA? The Golf 118 TSI is one of the most popular small cars, and most families use it as a family car. I dont see why you cant drive a bloody 118 TSI. You can drive a damn R32 for god sake. 184 KW car. You can even drive a Passat R36, over 200kw. And why? Because its a naturally aspirated car....Thats total crap.
Why should you be able to drive a 200kw+ car and not a Turbo 118KW car?? Please, someone tell me why? I have a GTI adidas..When my son gets his P's he wont be able to drive it. And i might buy him a R32. So, my son will have a more powerful car than me....WTF!!!!! Seriously, RTA if your reading this, Take abit more time thinking about what cars you will ban. You cant just say "ohh that cars a turbo, banned" You have to look further into it. Like why can a P plater drive a R36 and not a 118TSI? That should be allowed for P platers. I could buy a R32, Pump the power up, put a new exhaust and and chip it. The RTA would still allow P platers to drive that car. It could have over 270KW. And still...cant drive a f**king 118TSI. This is really pissing me off that P platers cant drive a small, reliable and safe car.
RTA...Please, change your ban list
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What the RTA call "moderate performance turbo/supercharged vehicles" are eligible for exemption, which include vehicles such as the Golf 118TSI.
You still have to apply for an exemption (should be a formality), but to make enforcement easier to carry out for the authorities, you have to carry the letter with you.
See link - (Vehicle and passenger conditions for P1 and P2 licence holders)
I think VicRoads have also put in place a similar system or something.
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I got my 118TSI exemption today GTI_Adidas, so I'm not too sure what you're on about there. The GTI and R are still banned, but all TSIs are allowable, subject to application.
MY11.5 118TSI - Reflex Silver Metallic, RNS-510, RVC + Park-Assist.
Delivered March 2011 and on the road
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