thanks for reply. I gather you also have a VW?. I thought the Clio was harsh too I have not had a chance to drive. The 208 been a good car? Service costs dearer then VW? Any other plus of negatives about the other two you mentioned compared to VW? I can`t even believe I was even interested in another polo after all the **** VW put me through to get my motor replaced (oil eater) but the adaptive suspension caught my attention so now they have done it again with me . I have a 5 year old car with a somewhat new motor (approx 20,000kms) with all warranty finishing this Chissy what to do, what to do??? Service costs are over the top with VW though. If kia had a small hot hatch I would have one tomorrow for the 7 years warranty alone.