Reply With QuoteThanks for the offer Scott, I"ll keep that in mind buddy. I am leaning towards this set-up with DNA as I have a feeling that APR is going to be priced a lot higher. How is your tune going? any issues? how far up the road? PM me if you want.
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want to see how it works? im just 20 mins up the road from you. i can drop by sometime and show you the "sixth step" - piss easy.Originally Posted by GTI JOE
as greg (kaanage) said - throughout steps 1-6, the longest time that any one step takes is the ~hour or so for step 4, waiting for your tuner to write your "power" map based on your "stock" map that you emailed to them in the first place.
so yeah, GTI JOE (and anyone in melbourne who wants to see what im talking about for themselves), let me know if you want to see what your product will actually look / install like.
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Thanks for the offer Scott, I"ll keep that in mind buddy. I am leaning towards this set-up with DNA as I have a feeling that APR is going to be priced a lot higher. How is your tune going? any issues? how far up the road? PM me if you want.
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Scott - how is the fuel consumption post upgrade? Any better / worse ?
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Hey John, i'm still keen to get the upgrade done.
Just waiting on my car, should be about 3-4 weeks away.
I'd be very keen to get before and after dyno runs
My main concern is warranty voiding, and wanted to know if my VW dealer could stumble upon this and void my warranty?
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i was going to pm you, but im replying to three posts here at the same time, so oh well, haha.
my tune isnt a DNA tune per se, it's a chipped uk/viezu tune. same thing, really (even the handsets are the same - EXACTLY the same, although the dna one has a dna fascia on it, and the chipped uk one... well, you know.). EXACTLY the same install process.
as for my tune - i thrash the crap out of my car all the time, ALL the time, and have done for two years. if you look at julian edgar's thread, he has the same engine as mine, but with exhaust mod and a BIG custom intake, and he got CUSTOM rolling road tuned, and dyno'd 91fwkw. my tune alone, with just the SEAT (slightly larger diameter) intake, got 89.5fwkw, so it's not a bad tune at all imo. two years (50,000kms) of thrashing (abusing, once warm) my car on that map (apart from a couple of months at the start when i thought it was worse for fuel economy than stock map), and not one. single. problem. ever. i'd like to say that customer support has been excellent, but seriously, since the day i installed the tunes, i have never ever gone back to viezu for anything - the tunes are that good, i've never had to.
DNA will be the same (although i know from a few people that John has fuggin awesome customer service). ask gti_dave to see his octavia's stage two dyno plot - i've said it once and i'll say it again, that curve looks like it was drawn freehand by da vinci. AWESOME.
it doesnt matter to me if you dont have your car yet. i can come along to introduce myself sometime, show you the handset etc etc and change maps right infront of you (or if you want, we can go for a stock vs fun map back to back). i wont violate you i promise haha
hey mate, fuel consumption post upgrade is definitely better (i dont have a multi function display, so i usually just do non-documented "how many clicks on this next quarter of a tank" comparisons, but...
the awesome thing about the handset that DNA uses is that you can literally switch 20 times a day if you wanted to. even WITHOUT taking down km readings, it's pretty obvious that the tune improves fuel economy- there is a lot of low down torque such that you only need to massage (less than 50% travel) the throttle in order to hop-to in traffic.
for some reason, a year and a half ago, i told myself "nope, im having too much fun on the fun map - im going to go back to stock for awesome fuel economy". with my daily commute and the bi-weekly grocery shop etc etc, i simply found myself filling up more often on stock map than on fun map. add to that the fact that when you WANT to have fun, it's much more fun on fun map than on stock, and it only took me a couple of months to realise that fun map is fun AND more economical.
do a search on this site for something like "remap and warranty" or "tuning and warranty", and have a read (lots of posts on the subject), then, decide for yourself how you want to proceed.
all of the discussion seems to point to the only hard and fast rule being "if a modification is responsible for the engine blowing up, then you're outta luck". otherwise, the discussion seems to go back and forth between "it's up to YOU to prove that your mod didnt cause the engine failure" and "VWA has to prove to YOU that it's YOUR mod that caused the failure". much of a muchness, really.
to be honest, mike, i'd do what i did, and go along to your dealer and have a chat with them. i told my dealer that i was going to get chipped, plus maybe some exhaust work and maybe an intake etc etc and how would that fare? dealer pretty much said that if it was blatantly obvious that i'd done something horrendous to ufck up the internals then yes, i'd be on my own, but otherwise a remap wouldnt foreseeably void the usual kind of warranty work / early life failure work that they usually see.
it was also amusing, talking to him - he lit right up when i told him i planned to get mapped, telling me that no one tells them these things when they go in for service, and he'd love to get the diagnostic tools onto a mapped car and have a look-see, which they dont really ever get to do
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Thanks Scott, great write up dude. A lot of useful, first hand, information.
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Amen to that.
Cheers Scott.
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I've taken my Volkswagen dealer for a drive in my R... actually, I let me original sales guy drive MY modded car. (He laughed at how nervous he was and how he totally understands now why people hate sales guys going along for the "test drive"). But as Buller_Scott mentioned. Any sales guy / service guy who is genuinely interested in cars, especially VW's, at least to me, have been very receptive to responsibly modified cars...
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What Corey said
Another thing I found out is that VGA re-imburse dealerships for warranty work so it's almost like it's in the best interests of the dealer to do your warranty work instead of flat out refusing....
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We coud even do some rolling drag comparisions between stock, economy, performance road and track/race maps since Buller_Scott & I have the same car and same tuning boxes (we both have performance road but his other Viezu/ChippedUK map is the trackrace while mine is the economy).
But the bottom line is that the SRS-II will do EXACTLY the same thing with DNA-Tuning maps so you have loads of flexibility for quite low cost (vs some other options).
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