Audi A1 Quattro

[THE_EGG]

Its really irrelevant talking UKP (GBP)... do I think the POLO R would ever reach the AU market, negative on that Ghost Rider! Same could be said for the RS3 etc.

From what i've read, the RS3 doesn't meet ADR's (australian design regulations). So don't expect the RS3 to reach Australia at all considering that the DS3 Racing did not/will not reach Australia due to it too, not meeting ADR's. Just thought I would add this if you didn't know why the RS3 would not reach Australia.

[gavs]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

[goodfella]

From what i've read, the RS3 doesn't meet ADR's (australian design regulations). So don't expect the RS3 to reach Australia at all considering that the DS3 Racing did not/will not reach Australia due to it too, not meeting ADR's. Just thought I would add this if you didn't know why the RS3 would not reach Australia.

Correct, Audi Oz deemed the RS3 was too late in the A3 lifecycle to warrant the eye watering destruction of RS3iii in ADR compliance for the benefit of a few they would sell through.

[THE_EGG]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

wow because of CF front quarter panels? isn't that a good thing?!?!?! WTF are these guys on!? I think the DS3's suspension wasn't allowed because of it being too low to the ground but im not 100% sure on that one. Thanks for the info

[Buller_Scott]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

you dont know how pissed off i get every time i think about it. sure, it's good to help out your fellow aussie, but to perpetuate the idea that we need fcking 1700kg 6cyl cars with not much more interior room than a golf, to drive around our cities in? but a ds3r which is a perfect sized city car, is too much for our puny little minds to be able to take, we should go back to fcking 7.2 liter v8's?

i hear you, man. we're so fcking backward in this country, at the expense of trying to sell a few more falcodores whilst year by year watching their inevitable demise, and at the same time denying the motoring public brilliant cars that not only make more sense on multiple fronts from cityside practicality, lower consumptions and emissions, but are also better to drive as well.

apparently the suspension design in the ds3r doesnt meet adr's, so that makes it unsafe for australians....

yet how many little marios on their p plates write themselves and their falcodores off every year (lol - in a straight line, really?), yet those are more than safe enough for us?

welcome to backwater... oops, i mean australia.

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....

[Coolio]

you dont know how pissed off i get every time i think about it. sure, it's good to help out your fellow aussie, but to perpetuate the idea that we need fcking 1700kg 6cyl cars with not much more interior room than a golf, to drive around our cities in? but a ds3r which is a perfect sized city car, is too much for our puny little minds to be able to take, we should go back to fcking 7.2 liter v8's?

i hear you, man. we're so fcking backward in this country, at the expense of trying to sell a few more falcodores whilst year by year watching their inevitable demise, and at the same time denying the motoring public brilliant cars that not only make more sense on multiple fronts from cityside practicality, lower consumptions and emissions, but are also better to drive as well.

apparently the suspension design in the ds3r doesnt meet adr's, so that makes it unsafe for australians....

yet how many little marios on their p plates write themselves and their falcodores off every year (lol - in a straight line, really?), yet those are more than safe enough for us?

welcome to backwater... oops, i mean australia.

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....

Interestingly the Australian automotive industry provides over 200,000 direct employment opportunities, plus supports a manufacturing industry base of over 1 million workers. Our import tariffs are low enough to allow EXTREMELY strong competition from overseas car makers. If low volume vehicles like the RS3 and DS3R don't comply with our ADRs then so be it. We all have plenty of choice when it comes to purchasing new cars in Australia. Also, from reading the information in this forum, it would appear that Audi have ELECTED not to crash test the RS3, thereby precluding it from being imported. Obviously Audi have therefore DECIDED that regardless of the ADRs they don't have a business case to bring it here. The ADRs certainly are not responsible for "little marios on their p plates" writing off whatever vehicle they happen to be driving around in. Neither are the Australian car manufacturers. IF you were saying that the ADRs were responsible for stopping vehicles that were accessible to the P plate market and were demonstrably safer, in terms of passive safety features, than what is otherwise available, then i think you would have a point. BUT you aren't. IF you elect to drive outside the law then you put yourself at risk REGARDLESS of the vehicle you are driving and REGARDLESS of any Australian Design Regulation. AUSTRALIA is not backward. People trying to link ADRs to "little marios on their p plates (who) write themselves and their falcodores off every year" are backward.

[pologti18t]

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....

Thank god... because your argument makes no sense.

You are taking the word of Ateco (that useless importer) on why they didn't bring the DS3R to Australia. Why then did they display it to the press? To drum up some interest in the normal DS3 that wasn't selling well perhaps? Ateco was NEVER going to import the DS3R. It was far to expensive to sell here.
If it was due to a non-compliance to an ADR then too bad to Citroen. Every other manufacturer seems to be able to cope well enough.

If you think the ADR system was introduced to protect the local industry then you are sadly mistaken. That was quite easily done by import tariffs and quotas (are you old enough to remember them?)
The ADR system has been systematical harmonised with EU regs over the last 15-20yrs. Why do so if it was to protect the local industry?

If Audi thought it uneconomical to repeat a crash test on the RS3 then that's their decision.

[Acko1991]

But if ADR's don't allow cars that are built in Europe into the country then how does that make any sense whatever?....Not only are Australian roads terrible...the cars that are built here are just as terrible...

Plus the serious lack of emphasis on high speed driving......I think it is bull**** how 'AUSTRALIA' thinks we have to drive slow to save lives...its absolute ****...and the germans have proven it....better roads and better cars and better driver training is what makes things safer.

[Coolio]

Firstly, i am fairly sure the ADRs don't say "1.0 No Cars from Europe shall be allowed". Because of the number of new vehicles on the market they cannot possibly be written to cater to every niche product such as the DS3R. Non-compliance with the ADR cannot be viewed simply as a car from Europe not being allowed, rather it is an example of an engineering solution not being considered suitable for our market regardless of the car's origin. I am sure if Citroen desperately wanted the DS3R to be available in Australia, they would have found a different solution which complied with the ADRs. I believe a good example of this was the seats in a previous Renaultsport Clio/Megane a few years ago....the seats fitted for the European market did not comply with the relevant ADR, so Renault fitted different seats for the Australian market and everything was fine. Secondly, by what measure are Australian cars terrible? Surely not reliability given your experience with the Polo.

With regard to high speed driving, Australia is in the unfortunate position of having a culture of 100km speed limits on major highways. While increased driver training would certainly be a good starting point for improving safety on the road, it is difficult to retrospectively educate already licensed drivers. What happens with the freshly licensed 17 year old, who suddenly finds the speed limit on the nearby major highway raised to 160? Has he ever been in a vehicle moving at 160km/h let alone driven one at that speed? Does he think the normal shoulder check before changing lanes when moving from a 120km/h lane to a 160km/h lane is adequate? If he does pull into a fast lane and cause an accident, innocent people could die. Its not reeeeally his fault because he hasn't had the training to cope. Its not the fault of the person in the fast lane, because they are driving within the law. Accidents that happen when people break the law are unfortunate, but when they do occur the only person who should feel responsible is the person who broke the law in the first place. Can anyone actually demonstrate the higher speed limits would improve road safety? I am almost certain that if someone could, the idea would have been heavily pushed in the public realm already.

[pologti18t]

But if ADR's don't allow cars that are built in Europe into the country then how does that make any sense whatever?....Not only are Australian roads terrible...the cars that are built here are just as terrible...

Plus the serious lack of emphasis on high speed driving......I think it is bull**** how 'AUSTRALIA' thinks we have to drive slow to save lives...its absolute ****...and the germans have proven it....better roads and better cars and better driver training is what makes things safer.

What are you on about? Stop ranting about things you obviously haven't even investigated.
Last I have read Australian cars have 5 star ratings....ESP, 6 airbags, ABS, yadda yadda. They can even federalize the Commodore to sell in the USA. VW hasn't done that for the Polo in the USA

Yes, better roads are safer, but please compare the population of Germany against it size. Then have a think about the $$$ they have to build and maintain roads compared to us.
The driver training isn't as advanced in German as you think it is.

Australia is not as bad as you may well think on the fatality rate.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


BTW, how many defensive or advanced driver training courses have YOU done?