ABT Tune for 1.8 Polo Gti

[h100vw]

We have now removed several ABT boxes, we have the data & logs. We are going to send one of the boxes out to an independent electrical engineer just for fun, and we can get a third party report in.

Spend a couple of minutes and open up the box for us and post a picture of the contents please.

[Newton]

My opinion on the differences between a piggyback unit and the ABT engine control unit.
You can add nodes infinitum. If ABT adhere to the addressing convention they could sit in 'star' connection on the bus. They could receive all bus transmissions, and assuming they knew the ECU handshake address, would know which signals were meant for which other nodes.


You our are correct in saying only the ECU is doing the controlling. BUT what I have seen in vehicles was an inline ABT module. The wiring harness places the ABT module between the ECU and remainder of the CAN-bus and attached modules.


So if ABT have the patch codes (I assume they do), handshake protocols and node IDs then there is no technical limitation to them 'allowing all signals TO the car ECU to flow through unaltered' but to intercept and modify all return signals coming OUT of the ECU onto the wiring harness, into the ABT box, before releasing modified CAN-bus compliant protocol signals to their intended node destinations.


It is not over riding the ECU, but intercepting the intended message and translating its meaning to the other nodes.


Its not a parallel piggy back arrangement and it's not an additional node on the bus. It's cutting the bus in half separating the ECU and determining what messages get through and what if-any changes are made to those messages.


A true ghost in the system, hence no error throw out codes on diagnostic machines.

[Guy_H]

Spend a couple of minutes and open up the box for us and post a picture of the contents please.

Already have the pics - will post up with some explanation notes when I get time shortly

My opinion on the differences between a piggyback unit and the ABT engine control unit.
You can add nodes infinitum. If ABT adhere to the addressing convention they could sit in 'star' connection on the bus. They could receive all bus transmissions, and assuming they knew the ECU handshake address, would know which signals were meant for which other nodes.


You our are correct in saying only the ECU is doing the controlling. BUT what I have seen in vehicles was an inline ABT module. The wiring harness places the ABT module between the ECU and remainder of the CAN-bus and attached modules.


So if ABT have the patch codes (I assume they do), handshake protocols and node IDs then there is no technical limitation to them 'allowing all signals TO the car ECU to flow through unaltered' but to intercept and modify all return signals coming OUT of the ECU onto the wiring harness, into the ABT box, before releasing modified CAN-bus compliant protocol signals to their intended node destinations.


It is not over riding the ECU, but intercepting the intended message and translating its meaning to the other nodes.


Its not a parallel piggy back arrangement and it's not an additional node on the bus. It's cutting the bus in half separating the ECU and determining what messages get through and what if-any changes are made to those messages.


A true ghost in the system, hence no error throw out codes on diagnostic machines.

Some simple diagnostics (even with VCDS which is low speed on these new UDS protocol cars) shows what the requested signals are and what is altered in the car with the "piggyback" - If any owner has one & has an ABT box (or any other box) I can send you some blocks to log & you can see what is altered and what is not. If you have dyno access, you can load the car up & see what happens to the EGT levels & how the car reacts stock, and with the "piggyback".

The UDS system on these (and its predecessors) do not allow "foreign" ECU's on board. There are also some simple tests that show this too. I still maintain that the "piggyback" does what was mentioned before.

There is a fair bit of info in this thread over here : S3 (8V) | Tuning Box or ECU Remap?

Now Newton, It seems from your posts, both here & at OzAudi, you have a large, vested input in selling the ABT box. I declare my interests (as a sponsor of the forum), I suggest you do likewise please.

If you wish to explain with fact, rather than conjecture, please do.

[Newton]

I am not on ozaudi, so not sure what interest it is you are talking about.

The reason of my post is that I am allergic to bull***t, and in my opinion, there is plenty within your posts which unfortunately have spread to this forum now as well.

Everyone knows you are an APR dealer and want to sell their tunes, why not focus on that? From what I read on the forums, seams there is plenty of work to do you should rather concentrate on.
But no, all you do is, as soon as somebody uses/writes or god forbid even thinks about an alternative to your product, you start your smear campaign and make false accusations. Your "know it all attitude" makes all your comments, in my opinion, actually untrustworthy.
The message is always the same, APR is so much better, we can do much more than all other systems out there, but maybe not at the moment as we are still hacking the cars ECU, oh surprise we just did, it only needs to filter through to our dealers this is why we have as a standard written "coming soon" on our website.
For example I had a Polo GTI for which APR said a tune is nearly done, it will be available soon every time I called… it never came. But yeah, other tuners which actually have a tune, are all crap and only APR can tune cars…

Focus on your own product and don't try to understand somebody else's product which you obviously can't anyway.

[Remarcabull]

Yes, I have had my S3 8v tuned with ABT since the beginning, power is fantastic and warranty gives great piece of mind. Audi Germany actually sell this for their vehicles though their dealer network. If you google it all you see are great reviews, and no issues. it doesn't flag warranty and can be removed very quickly which is great when reselling your car.

if you want further info pm me, I have spend over a year researching them and even have got in contact with their engineers and spoken to Audi staff about them.

https://www.abtsportsline.com.au/vol...ine-technology

ABT has released a chip tune for the 1.8 Polo Gti for manual or DSG transmissions. ($2490)
Anyone had experience with ABT chip tunes

[Remarcabull]

Ahh Guy, your name always comes up in a thead bashing every product except of course the yours as YOU sell APR.

Lets see the real points,

APR has had many issues blowing turbos, countless turbos for the new Golf R and Audi S3 8V, anyone smart would realise this if they did their research and look at the history of APR (you cant search the word in google without an issues coming up), which was sold now too long ago to a finance company who has pretty much said they need to make profit within 2 years or they will be shutdown. This was bought about by many issues and the historical "engines/turbos blowing dilemma"

Secondly, I was looking to tune my car with APR, except turbos started blowing on the new Golf R and Audi S3 from your tune and the fact you make your customers sign a waiver to their rights! ABT didn't do this, they gave me a warranty form and numbers to call IF issues arise not when.

Thirdly, ABT is Audi's preferred tuner, ask any Audi here or overseas and they will tell you who they recommend and or sell/endorse in Europe

I have spoken directly to ABT in Germany and their engineers and time and time again back their claims of controlling all parameters for their system,

Finally the real fact is, when I drive my car, I can rest at ease I'm covered, enjoy my driving and not worry about my turbo blowing which is what happened to a mate of mine a few weeks ago, you know who he is, I'm sure he contacted you, and the fact that you claim your tune is undetectable, they flagged him after a flash back and voided his warranty.

So stop your tirade against other peoples products because your product your selling has more dirt on it then any other for its problems

Try and find one bad post about ABT go on... now try APR.. Let the customers be the judge!

I will put my trust in ABT for my RS3 too.


now back to adding information to the starter of this thread, yes ABT has been great, no issues, great performance and super product support. do your research, and make your choice, all we can try to do is give you information for you to make a decision.

Already have the pics - will post up with some explanation notes when I get time shortly



Some simple diagnostics (even with VCDS which is low speed on these new UDS protocol cars) shows what the requested signals are and what is altered in the car with the "piggyback" - If any owner has one & has an ABT box (or any other box) I can send you some blocks to log & you can see what is altered and what is not. If you have dyno access, you can load the car up & see what happens to the EGT levels & how the car reacts stock, and with the "piggyback".

The UDS system on these (and its predecessors) do not allow "foreign" ECU's on board. There are also some simple tests that show this too. I still maintain that the "piggyback" does what was mentioned before.

There is a fair bit of info in this thread over here : S3 (8V) | Tuning Box or ECU Remap?

Now Newton, It seems from your posts, both here & at OzAudi, you have a large, vested input in selling the ABT box. I declare my interests (as a sponsor of the forum), I suggest you do likewise please.

If you wish to explain with fact, rather than conjecture, please do.

[2muchcoffeeman]

I'd really prefer if personal attacks of members- be they sponsors or not be kept out of the public domain.

It looks bad- regardless of which side of the fence you choose. Anybody can be a keyboard warrior.

[Guy_H]

Just a response to "Newton"

I stand by everything I say,

We have another user called "Newton" on Ozaudi who specifically only wishes to debate about ABT tuning boxes vs APR (you must admit the coincidence is astounding)

I am not on ozaudi, so not sure what interest it is you are talking about.

ozAudi - AUSTRALIAS LEADING AUDI FORUM

You also state in this thread:

Audi S3 8V ECU upgrades

You are a member of Ozaudi (let the members read the thread)

Posting here my original comment as APR Admins on OzAudi are changing it so people don't hear about it. Wouldn't normally do this, but find this quite amazing that they would censor comments on an "open" forum!

Anyway, I'll forward your IP to admin to check. 121.44.128.236

Your posts always seem to be followed very shortly afterwards by "Remarcabull" - another co-incidence.

"Remarcabull" - you have responses to your claims in the other 111 page thread on Ozaudi. You have personally spoken to the ABT engineers, but with over 30 dyno runs on your vehicle, you are not allowed to share a single one?

Anyway - no more personal attacks. Lets just get back to what ever the products can & can not do.

If anyone would like a thread about Tuning box (no brand name) vs ECU flash (no brand name)- let me know & we can create one.

Over and out.

[Transporter]

If anyone would like a thread about Tuning box (no brand name) vs ECU flash (no brand name)- let me know & we can create one.
Over and out.

You're more than welcome to start one.

[jay13]

The reason it costs so much is because in Europe it is used by many dealerships if, you wanted to increase performance. The chip waits for the engine to warm up at a certain temperature before it releases its full power. Compared to APR etc they don't have a waiting time unlike ABT so technically, it takes care of your engine. It's a more safe option of power increase.