Seriously...

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Originally Posted by gareth_oau

... and no power steering - it is no longer relavant in today's environment.

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not all of us are so lucky as to have power steering! j:

For me. well I probably sit completly wrong, but I sit where i find it comfortable. I tend to adjust if I'm going for a drive, generally bringing the back of the set up more.

But for daily driving, my seat is what man would regard as quite laid back. Infact you can see the headrest through the back drivers side passenger window very clearly! but of course I don't lean all the way back on it.

Anyways.

I generally have my seat where I'm comfortable to control the clutch properly, and my legs aren't too bent. ( I prefer my legs to be relatively straight) and the wheel in proper reach, where I can control it proper.My arms are hardly streching to reach the s/wheel but I'd hardly say they are bent either!

Thats just the way I do it. Comfort for daily driving is what I'm after.

I think you meant "Quarter past nine" gareth, but your point is still clear.

In dirt rally, you steer with one hand. The other maintains it's original position at either the "9" or "3" spot with a light grip. You basically push the steering wheel through hand. I adapt this for tarmac stuff and it works well.

The biggest problem with inexperienced drivers is not seating position, rather vision and line. Colin Mcrae, for example, sat almost the opposite way to textbook drivers.

On the topic of the Advanced Driving Course in Perth...
I've attended 1, and I didn't feel that I got much out of it, I'm by no means a great driver or anything like that, but I think its catered more for people who have NO understanding of physics and dynamics...

I was at a track day at Thruxton in England a couple of years ago, and they encouraged the wrist on the steering wheel approach, and also they emphasised that you must be comfortable... so I wouldnt place too many rules to think about when you drive...

I'm not saying any of the advice any1 here has given is wrong, I just think that you should just do what feels comfortable.

Also, in regards to McRae, Jensen Button was also like this... its interesting to see him in the car, sitting very upright and high so he can see the corners of the car, whereas most drivers sit lower to the ground to aid center of gravity...

T Go.

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Originally Posted by LoriJarrod

I think you meant "Quarter past nine" gareth, but your point is still clear.

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LOL see, I cant tell the timej:

Driving at quarter past three would put a bit of a strain on the old spine after a whilej:

here, take this advanced senior driver for example.....she knows the V8 Supercar and Nascar ways (except for her 9:00 hand positioning) ....we should all follow suit. j:

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Originally Posted by [-Polo GTI-]

here, take this advanced senior driver for example.....she knows the V8 Supercar and Nascar ways (expect for her 9:00 hand positioning) ....we should all follow suit. j:

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I think she is trying to achieve the rather obscure, but equally effective "quarter to twelve" position. This is a tricky position to master, but highly regarded in some schools of thought!!

LOL if her airbag went off, looks like she'd end up dislocating a shoulderj:

I mainly have three problems in most cars, and they all relate to lower body length. It's always hard for me to get into the car, esepcially small ones. My legs get stuck on the steering wheel while going in and out. The other thing is when put the seat in a position that is comfortable for my arms, my legs are too crammed for the pedals, and when i move the seat back my arms are quite stretched reaching the steering wheel. That problem was multiplied for me in a Peugeot 207 gti which i really had trouble driving and another problem i had was with a Skoda Octavia where there was no legroom on the sides, the centre console is too wide and it was a long drive and it was really painful. Back to another issue that was mentioned earlier the dangling keys are very annoying. First time I see some purpose in the renault megane keycard in the centre console. Eventhough i think its a distaster because if ur not used to it, you can leave the car running. I walked out of the car took the keycard, thinking the car had turned off and locked it. The car doesnt lock if the engines running. So i eneded up leaving the car UNLOCKED and RUNNING in the middle of a busy street for about 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by neil

Have that problem in the Jetta, but mainly due to the dealers big keyring dangling off keys.
My biggest annoyance is no light on ignition on steering, so at night can't find the hole.

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Lol try putting fur around it!!!

I usually have it the "old skool" way, wrists touching the top of the wheel when my arms are straight.

However, I do know that for track days and thus racing drivers, its better to sit much closer to the wheel than usual, and almost bolt upright, this gives much much better control of the wheel, and you can twist it up a lot more.

Having said that, its better to not sit so upright day to day because by leaning back a bit, it relieves pressure off various points in your spine, so you wont get back problems as early ;)

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Originally Posted by BenjGTI

Lol try putting fur around it!!!

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I'm not touching this one.

Or should I say ,not going down that road.