Sam's build thread

[Sydneykid]

Nice work Sam, looking better each time out, 29's up the Esses is fast for a daily drive road car. How are they doing the timing these days? They used to use a shoe for the start and then a light beam for the finish. We didn't have split/sector times, I used the videos for that. The hillclimb classes are crap, always have been, they like to do it "their way" rather than follow what other events do. Plus they ignore the CAMS manual whenever they see fit.

In IP your car would fit in the 2,000 to 3,000 class (2% over capacity is allowed), which seems a much more logical class structure rather than sticking it in with 11 litre V8's (6.2 x 1.7). Maybe something you should point out.


I notice Malcolm Oastler on the results, I had a chat to him at Eastern Creek before Xmas and he wasn't sure that he was going to do much hillcimbing this year. Next time you see him, tell him Gary Cook still likes his hair (it's an in joke).

Cheers
Gary

[sambb]

Scrutineerings hottest car. Unfortunately he caught fire on the line on day 2!

My hero. Gary Fords Mk1 escort with the
V8 virtually in the cabin with him. Still leaf sprung.....and managed 3rd overall against the open wheelers! What a steerer.

A supercharged Hyabusa openwheeler

The starwars car runs a Judd V8 that sat in one of Neweys cars, and this is the aero on Oastlers OMS hyabusa.

My seat harness set up. Made a lot of difference performance wise and really added to the feeling of security when you're nestled in there. Not great for a near 4 hour drive there though - horrendous in fact!

[sambb]

Thanks Gary appreciate it. Yeah Malcom has been doing it since I started at the end of 2015. He has seemed to have been doing less of the other rounds but always seems to be there at the Bathurst rounds for understandable reasons. The Australian titles will be at Bathurst this year so I'd love to go back for that and I'd guess he'll be there too. Yeah I'll mention what you said ….. will be good to have a bit of an 'in' so that I can get a closer look at his car!
The timing sounds strange. I believe the start system is a beam and timing starts when your rears clear the beam. So you must be staged when the front of your tyre has the beam broken, when it goes high again the timing initiates. But then apparently the finish line is independent. Instead of the bottom beam directly triggering the top ones count, they use it as a time stamp. They then look at the time stamp when the top/finish beam is crossed and subtract the two. Apparently the start and finish beam positions are fixed so it must be a problem with each of the beams disagreeing on what time it is when they are activated? Last year the Esses times were a joke and mountain straights' too but this year it seemed that the esses was ok and just mountain straight had the issues. I don't know if they transfer the timing systems from day 1 over to the other side of the mountain for day 2 or if they run separate gear.
Yeah as I said before the CAMS manual for this year has road class cars split into un modified and modified classes, now allowing safety such as seat and harness in either, and also doing the normal CAMS capacity classes. Last year only the issue of capacity came up and Hillclimb seemed to just thumb its nose at that and I remain stuck in with all the V8's. Now that the issue of allowing safety mods and whether or not you are modified or not has come up but I get the distinct feeling that again Hillclimb will just do what it wants. Our class is not on Hillclimbs radar really - we are looked upon as the special little people who you pat on the head and feel sorry for cos we don't have 'real' race cars so I don't think they are going to exhaust too much admin effort on us and rejig things. Business as usual it seems. I think the positive spin off will be that probably all the clubs wont question safety gear now that it has been written into the rules at least somewhere.

[sambb]

here's the Mountain straight run I filmed. Again, it was post crash with oil all across the top and still only run 2 so its pretty conservative but you'll get the gist:

YouTube run starts at 3:30 as I cant operate the camera in that seat once I'm buckled in

PS Teamshaw I met your mate. I've seen the Wallins around before. We had a good chat as I used to have an RA23 Celica with the same Yam 18RG engine that their RA40 has. You'll see their car at the end of the vid as I pull off into MacPhillamy.

[teamshaw]

PS Teamshaw I met your mate. I've seen the Wallins around before. We had a good chat as I used to have an RA23 Celica with the same Yam 18RG engine that their RA40 has. You'll see their car at the end of the vid as I pull off into MacPhillamy.

Yeah Andrew said that you guys caught up. Thought you would’ve probably seen them round as they mainly run at Ringwood these days. Andrew used to live in Canberra so used to do SDMA regularly but not anymore.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Sydneykid]

The timing sounds strange. I believe the start system is a beam and timing starts when your rears clear the beam. So you must be staged when the front of your tyre has the beam broken, when it goes high again the timing initiates. But then apparently the finish line is independent. Instead of the bottom beam directly triggering the top ones count, they use it as a time stamp. They then look at the time stamp when the top/finish beam is crossed and subtract the two. Apparently the start and finish beam positions are fixed so it must be a problem with each of the beams disagreeing on what time it is when they are activated? Last year the Esses times were a joke and mountain straights' too but this year it seemed that the esses was ok and just mountain straight had the issues. I don't know if they transfer the timing systems from day 1 over to the other side of the mountain for day 2 or if they run separate gear.

What used to happen with the light beams, early on in their implementation, at the start line was false trips from reflections. Plus I used to get early triggers when I put the FWD car into 1st gear with the multiplate clutch, it would jerk enough to trigger the timing beam. As a result I had one run that was over 10 minutes, due to a track delay after I'd staged. The problem was the staging guy was getting the cars too close to the beam line, so any tiny movement in the tyre would trip it. RWD cars were pretty much OK, but the FWD's were an issue. So they went back to the old trusty shoe under the rear wheels.

The time stamp is used as it helps with the start and then the split times, each beacon just adds its own time stamp. It's a simplistic method overall, they really should use Dorian timers with embedded loops like we do for circuit racing. But they would whinge about the cost, for them and for the competitors.

My view is that every competitor pays the same entry fee so are entitled to the same treatment.

Cheers
Gary

[seangti]

Nicely done Sam and well done on that time.

I'm wanting to do some different events this year as I'm feeling a little uninspired, just don't know if a 30sec hill climb will do it for me, so short.

[sambb]

Short yes, but way more adrenalin - a mugging vs a boxing 12 rounder. You know what the first couple of laps feel like before the tyres come up when you do a track day, well imagine doing a standing start at Lakeside on tyres as cold as that and to be anywhere in the list you have to go hard. Slidey as it is, you have to make a perfect start with drag style pressure and cant make any mistakes and have to go as fast as possible with limited grip. I haven't done as much circuit stuff as you but I have done both and I still come down on the side of a hillclimb for the rush you get. Don't get me wrong, hammering around Wakefield was exhilarating but I wasn't pushing through fear to do it. First few times at Panorama I literally was running for the toilet before my runs. I also love the margins tenths and hundredths separating the cars in your class which really pushes you on despite the additional risk of plenty to hit if you stuff up. I reckon at the right track it might just get its hooks into you - learning a lot more about tyres, setup differences when things are cold, car control for sure etc But to GET hillclimbs you have to be going hard and caring what your times/position is. You don't really go to a hillclimb to just circulate cos that's not really the point. You guys have some pretty awesome hillclimbs up in QLD though that give some pretty decent runs compared to most of the NSW stuff. The Noosa one springs to mind and there's another that goes for miles up a beautiful sweeping public road that I've seen a vid for. Just don't start out at any of the gokarty type tracks. We have too many of them in our championship I reckon. We have awesome ones like Buladellah and Gunnedah yet stick to a lot of toy tracks. But I totally hear what you are saying re seat time. Because of that I'm more inclined to do the more quality events like Panorama, Huntley and Canberra and perhaps leave the the other smaller tracks aside this year so that I can do SMSP south circuit for dubnats and do Wakefield again. You have a set of soft A050's too yeah? Get on it! Like I said, right type of track on softs and you'll love it.

[sambb]

sean...
MT Cotton: YouTube
Noosa: YouTube

i'll try to find the really long one.

[seangti]

The Mt Cotton track is quite local in the scheme of things and i'll do one this year. Will need to adjust suspension (soften rear) as it over steers on cold tyres and no wing.

I sold the AO50's before running them. Couldn't see myself being bothered to run them at QR or LS as I've lost the drive to chase a laptime. I just want to get out, drive hard, drive home. I still log most runs, but I've stopped looking at logs and chasing lap times.

Spice of life is variety apparently. Noosa and one up at Rockhampton (which is sold out for 2019) look great, might need to get over my fear of spectators, lol.