Sam's build thread

[simon k]

noice

[sambb]

Hopefully one for the Gary - where's the best place to measure oil temp. Is the sump which gives you a picture of the oil return temp the one? Or do you get a better picture of whats going on by looking at the oil input to the engine eg at the oil filter housing? An oil cooler in a wet sump engine cools the oil going into the engine eg post sump/pump doesn't it, which had me thinking that would give the better picture. advice!

[metalhead]

Dammit Sam, have you been praying for rain again??

[Eddy]

Hey Eddy - haven't seen you on here for a while. Yeah my 15's are only 7's as I run 195's and 205's. At 8 inch can you remember what offset the rims are? Did you have to run spacers??

Hoyhoy.

Had a look @ the off-set of those 16"x 8"s today Sam, they are 35.

[sambb]

righto thanks appreciate it Eddy. Just got back from a state hillclimb round today. Was one of the best rounds I've ever run with the placings changing literally run for run amongst the top five, no one knowing how it was going to pan out and just a great vibe amongst the boys. I think I'll just drink Coopers and watch the F1 tonight but aready I'm thinking that I definitely need much more tyre on the road. Now that the suspension is sorted, when I'm on cold tyres at a hillclimb, the chassis is just overwhelming the 195's pretty ridiculously now, so i'll get onto that.

Eddy a bunch of us from the hillclimbs are thinking we might go down to Wakefield midweek in early September. If it works out we could have 8 or so people (enough to fill a cabin down there) so if you want to get the blue girl sorted and come along let me know. I'll keep you in the loop regardless.

[sambb]

results from Sundays Round 6 of the NSW state Hillclimb Championship: (my class = road registered >2.5Litre). I tidied up the format a bit so it makes more sense to viewers.


Class: Road Reg Non Log Booked over 2500cc Sponsor: Commodore Shop - Cardiff
Record: 42.70 Holder: Liam O'BRIEN HSV GTS Aug 2017

1st:

10 Steve WOODS (UnRegd) (MGCCN) Renault Megane RS275R 2.0 ltr turbo = 43.10 sec 25th overall

run1 run2 run3 run4 run5
4.67 4.40 4.43 4.72 4.42
23.69 23.32 23.29 23.69 23.43
43.72 43.10 43.81 43.97 43.67
Theoretically 4.40 + 18.86 + 19.78 = 43.04
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2nd:
216 Sam BEEBY (Regd) (MGCCN) VW Polo Gti 1.8 ltr turbo 43.23 sec 26th overall

run1 run2 run3 run4 run5
4.68 4.50 4.73 4.64 4.47
23.77 23.52 23.61 23.51 23.14
44.13 43.69 43.73 43.50 43.23
Theoretically 4.47 + 18.67 + 19.99 = 43.13
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3rd:
330 Jeff SCHMITT (Regd) (MGCCN) BMW M3 3.3 ltr 43.56 sec 31st overall

4.61 4.80 4.54 4.19 4.11
23.87 29.75 23.79 23.36 23.11
44.54 55.32 44.37 43.56 44.13
Theoretically 4.11 + 19.00 + 20.20 = 43.31
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4th:
109 Andrew FRASER (Regd) (MGCCN) Corvette 6.4 ltr 43.57sec 32nd overall

4.59 4.49 4.29 4.56 4.82
24.58 23.80 23.51 23.73 23.94
45.22 48.61P 43.57 43.84 43.58
Theoretically 4.29 + 19.12 + 19.64 = 43.05
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5th:
112 Riley MACQUEEN (J) (Regd) (WSCC) Commodore 5.7 ltr 44.02 36

4.18 4.22 4.06 4.00 3.92
24.00 23.95 23.77 23.64 23.77
44.56 44.45 44.05 44.02 44.46
Theoretically 3.92 + 19.64 + 20.28 = 43.84
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6th:
510 Liam O'BRIEN (Regd) (HSV Owner) HSV GTS 6.2 ltr s/c 44.28 37

4.82 5.23 4.81 4.81 5.02
24.73 25.39 24.67 24.65 25.00
44.82 45.28 44.28 44.42 45.06
Theoretically 4.81 + 19.84 + 19.61 = 44.26
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7th:
54 Wayne SIMEON (Regd) (MGCCQ) Ford Focus RS 2.6 ltr turbo 47.50 52

5.80 5.25 5.41 5.50 5.12
27.22 25.69 26.34 26.27 26.11
49.80 47.50 48.62 48.22 48.89
Theoretically 5.12 + 20.44 + 21.81 = 47.37
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8th:
128 Peter WALKER (Regd) (NSSCC) Holden Commodore Ute 5.9 ltr 53.23 63

5.27 4.82 4.98
29.02 28.64 28.50
54.55 53.89 53.23
Theoretically 4.82 + 23.52 + 24.73 = 53.07
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Me and the Megane RS275 RSR were the fastest FWD overall (and you'll love this Simon) except for a 3D sport sedan B16A vtec mini. My theoretical best was just off the class winners time so I cant feel too bad but I still made mistakes on the last run. First time we met he did me by 6/100ths, 2nd time I got him by half a second but he got me back again. Its 2:1. ah what could have been. Mega drive from Andrew in the Vette done by 1/100th to 3rd place by the M3. Probably one of the tightest comps Ive been in with a great group of guys so was a top day.

[Sydneykid]

Hopefully one for the Gary - where's the best place to measure oil temp. Is the sump which gives you a picture of the oil return temp the one? Or do you get a better picture of whats going on by looking at the oil input to the engine eg at the oil filter housing? An oil cooler in a wet sump engine cools the oil going into the engine eg post sump/pump doesn't it, which had me thinking that would give the better picture. advice!

It really doesn't matter much where you measure it, if the oil is "too hot" at the hottest place then it's simply too hot, even if it's cooler at the coolest place. I usually measure mine either at the sump or at the oil filter if I'm using a remote filter or the tank in dry sump system. Which is usually a convenience thing, remote filters commonly have spare places for oil temp and pressure sensors. At the sump means welding a fitting in place to take the sensor, unless I use a sensor that replaces the dip stick or sump plug (which is usually too low for a sensor anyway). Most off the shelf dry sump tanks have fittings for sensors, so that's a convenience thing too.

My suggestion would be to choose the most convenient location, the most important reading in some ways is not the absolute temperature, but more what it does over the lap, race, session. If it's constantly climbing, never stabilises then it doesn't matter much what the number is. It indicates that it needs more cooling, which is what is really relevant.

If you are using oil temp as a "stop driving, back off" indicator, then oil pressure is a more reliable reading for that purpose.

Cheers
Gary

[sambb]

righto thanks. I'll weld a temp sensor bung into the sump then, and run a pressure sensor off the filter housing.

[Eddy]

righto thanks appreciate it Eddy. Just got back from a state hillclimb round today. Was one of the best rounds I've ever run with the placings changing literally run for run amongst the top five, no one knowing how it was going to pan out and just a great vibe amongst the boys. I think I'll just drink Coopers and watch the F1 tonight but aready I'm thinking that I definitely need much more tyre on the road. Now that the suspension is sorted, when I'm on cold tyres at a hillclimb, the chassis is just overwhelming the 195's pretty ridiculously now, so i'll get onto that.

Eddy a bunch of us from the hillclimbs are thinking we might go down to Wakefield midweek in early September. If it works out we could have 8 or so people (enough to fill a cabin down there) so if you want to get the blue girl sorted and come along let me know. I'll keep you in the loop regardless.

Hoyhoy.

Don't count on me Sam, I haven't been down there for 3yrs, getting old & have changed my taste a bit.
Took the Girl out for a 200km drive yesterday for the wife's birthday down the old Pacific Hwy (Burringbah Range) to Ballina RSL.
Felt great on the curvy road, loved it. But not happy with the diff when hitting it hard, I have a rebuild kit with the clutch pack, springs & shims, but thinking if I pull the box out again that I might go back to an open diff to suit my age, not sure if I'm inclined to pulling the box out again.

[sambb]

fair enough Eddy. I'll send you my spare box (open diff) and some dollars and you can send down your SQS equiped box!!