Replacement VW 3-Button Flip Keys

[Old_Fart]

While I have sourced two replacement keys - Part No. #HLO 1JO 959 753 DA - for a Polo GTI that have the correct TRANSMITTER inserted in the top section of the key to lock and unlock the doors of my car - the all important TRANSPONDER chip located in the lower part of the key (behind the swinging blade section) that were originally supplied with key by the UK supplier is not the correct type for the Polo GTI.

Do any Forum members:

1. Know where the suitable ID48 glass TRANSPONDER chip can be purchased in Australia?
   
   
2. Know of any Sydney area non-VW Dealer sources who have the equipment and technical skill to match the new key TRANSPONDER to my Polo GTI's immobliser system?
   
   
3. Know of any Sydney area Locksmith who has the laser cutting equipment to successfully cut a new VW swingblade key?

I will appreciate any constructive feedback from Forum members who have the special knowledge of the VW key programing subject.

[JCM308]

By the sounds of it it would have been much easier going through a local VW dealership (although probably much more expensive).

[AGO41T]

i got my blank switchblade cut at rhodes shopping center $35

[noone]

When I was looking into a spare key, was told the only way to get it was from VW in Germany (as they do not onsell the blanks to 3rd party companies). The key is then cut based on the cars individual details (had to provide chassis number).

Once locally received, the individual programming for the car is done at the dealership.

I was quoted around $400ish for the full functionality key.

I got a very basic plastic one (with full chip functionality, but no remote features) for less than $200 (think around $170).

Was happy when I used it the other day, if you don't put the key in the ignition and start, the alarm goes off. When locking from the door, alarm activates.

[Old_Fart]

Yes - if we were all rolling in cash and prepared to pay up to $424 - we could present ourselves to the VW Dealership, who would be very happy to relieve us of our hard earned cash.

This replacement VW key subject is an interesting one - as it seems that there are a variety of Forum members who have "bits and pieces" of information on the subject.

From my limited experiences in researching everything that has transpired on the replacement key subject on this Forum and various overseas VW related forums - there are ways to come up with replacement keys for the Polo GTI without resorting to the services of the VW Dealer.

In the case of the Polo GTI there are three essential components to having a fully functioning replacement key:

• Item 1 is the 3-button top half of the key with the correct TRANSMITTER with the part number HLO 1JO 959 753 DA that handles the door and hatch locking and unlocking functions. There is a simple self-programming procedure that can be followed where the new key learns the programming codes from the old/existing key - without having to get the VW Dealer involved.
  
  
• Item 2 is to get a correct laser cut of a new key blade. In this respect, a key number was originally attached to the two new keys when our cars were delivered by the dealer - that enable Locksmith's with the right equipment to program cut a fresh key blade from that number. Alternatively, connecting a VagCom or similar diagnostic instrument can obtain what is known as the SKC (Secret Key Code) from the cars onboard computer. However, it is still possible for a savvy Locksmith with the right equipment to duplicate a key from the original cut impression.
  
  
• Item 3 is to acquire the correct ID48 glass TRANSPONDER which is located in the lower area of the key behind the swinging key blade - and to have this Transponder programmed to be recognised by the rolling code ignition immobiliser that is built into each of our cars. I am told there are non-VW Dealer businesses - mostly high end Locksmith companies - that can do the required TRANSPONDING programming that will allow the car to start after being recognised by the onboard ignition immobiliser - and not cut out after 2-seconds.

Let's collect as much positive information as we can on this subject and beat the prohibitive VW Dealer costs to simply replace a key.

[noone]

When I bought the key there were 2 costs:

1: the plasatic 'blade' (supplied cut). (super basic version was around $110)

2: local programming for identification. (around $60 from dealer).

I assume if you could find the right blade with transponder and get cut, you could take it to the dealer for the transponder coding...

[Joe Chu]

Coding of keys is done via the diagnostic machine VAS5052/5051, connects to your car where the vehicles access and security codes are extracted and then sent to VGA via secure internet connection, VGA then unlocks the vehicle and puts the immobiliser into learn mode so keys can be programmed if not all keys are supplied when reprogramming the existing keys will be erased. I don't know of any scan tools that can put the dash panel/immobiliser into learn mode but have heard a rumour that on Audi vehicles if you leave the ignition on for an hour the immobiliser accepts the key?? I was lucky and did a warranty claim on my key for the spring and ended up keeping the old one. Shonky dealers!!

[Old_Fart]

Joe - you may like to look over the link below to the VAG Immobiliser User Manual - which explains all on how to extract the 4-digit Secret Key Code and program the TRANSPONDER in a new VW key - and as well, reprogram the existing (two) keys that come with a new VW car.

http://www.lsc.com.au/doc/.../Advanc..._ad100-vag.pdf

And guess what - there isn't a VW Dealer in sight.

The primary reason for starting this thread was to flush out fact from fiction - and see if we could establish a practical working process to access a fully functioning new VW key without being caught up in the VW Dealer rip-off process.

We are making progress!

[Joe Chu]

Mate,
When I was at the dealer we programmed keys FOC, If your in Sydney and supply key and code I'll do it FOC with VAS for you because you have a POG. I don't need to read, because I don't need to get around it.

Joe - you may like to look over the link below to the VAG Immobiliser User Manual - which explains all on how to extract the 4-digit Secret Key Code and program the TRANSPONDER in a new VW key - and as well, reprogram the existing (two) keys that come with a new VW car.

http://www.lsc.com.au/doc/.../Advanc..._ad100-vag.pdf

And guess what - there isn't a VW Dealer in sight.

The primary reason for starting this thread was to flush out fact from fiction - and see if we could establish a practical working process to access a fully functioning new VW key without being caught up in the VW Dealer rip-off process.

We are making progress!

[Old_Fart]

Joe - I'd like to take you up on your offer. Can your equipment read the onboard immoblisier info to come up with the 4-digit SKC code - as I cannot find the tag that was attached to the two Polo keys on delivery?

I also may have a second issue with the installed TRANSPONDERS supplied out of the UK with the keys I purchased. Can you steer me to an Australian source for replacement ID48 Transponders if the existing ones do not respond to programming? I have tracked another UK source down who can supply them for the equivalent of A$26 each.

I'll send you a PM with my contact details