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    N75J solenoid.

    Replaced the standard, 125,000km vintage valve with an N75J from the dealership (they didn't know what it was worth, got it for about the same price as the standard part).
    Took 5 minutes, no 'idiot rashes', scratches, scrapes, all clipped into the position of the standard part.
    Impressions; initially, didn't notice any difference. Second gear... OK, feeling slightly better. With moderate pressure of the accelerator 3rd gear felt like it was much improved. 4th even more so. 5th... Well, you get the pattern.
    For the same amount of acceleration required noticeably less peddle. And kept pulling higher through the rev range.
    Unsure what condition the original valve was in, and whether the differences are due to being better, or more serviceable; either way happy camper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amdeman View Post
    Replaced the standard, 125,000km vintage valve with an N75J from the dealership (they didn't know what it was worth, got it for about the same price as the standard part).
    Took 5 minutes, no 'idiot rashes', scratches, scrapes, all clipped into the position of the standard part.
    Impressions; initially, didn't notice any difference. Second gear... OK, feeling slightly better. With moderate pressure of the accelerator 3rd gear felt like it was much improved. 4th even more so. 5th... Well, you get the pattern.
    For the same amount of acceleration required noticeably less peddle. And kept pulling higher through the rev range.
    Unsure what condition the original valve was in, and whether the differences are due to being better, or more serviceable; either way happy camper.
    All they do is open and close directed by the ECU. Essentially they either work or not. I'd want to see comparison logs of boost and MAF before making a judgement as to whether there's an improvement.

    It certainly won't be anything like a proper tune.

    Gavin

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    I looked pretty deeply into the different valves a while back. There are slight resistance differences of the coils but I don't think that would result in any differences in performance. The main thing is that valves like the 'j' and 'h' have a smaller orifice in the bottom leg and/or different degrees of restriction in the leg that releases air to the inlet. Basically these have the effect that for a given amount of on time of the solenoid, less pressure will accumulate in the wastegate actuator thereby keeping the wastegate flapper shut longer giving faster ramp up or higher peak boost depending on how the orifices are configured. Some of the N75's (mine does) have a small adjustment screw in the top of the valve that can slightly alter the bleed rate through the long leg into the inlet manifold. I assume it is a factory set and forget but its almost impossible to adjust afterwards though.
    Each valve was designed for different cars, engines and ECU boost curves and putting them on our car might be plug and play but its also a stab in the dark and whether that makes them work optimally with our fuel, timing etc is another thing. Like Gav said you'd really have to log it. There is definite value to modifying N75 air flows if you are suffering from overboost after say fitting a dump pipe though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h100vw View Post
    All they do is open and close directed by the ECU. Essentially they either work or not. I'd want to see comparison logs of boost and MAF before making a judgement as to whether there's an improvement.

    It certainly won't be anything like a proper tune.

    Gavin
    I agree; it is highly possible that the original unit was dead, or dying, and that this just fixed that.
    As it turns out the car already has a tune, a REVO in it from Japan (score), unsure of what the tune is, or what parameters are set.
    As yet, I don't have logging ability; it is on the wish list. By using SOTP-o-meter the car certainly pulls noticeably better, holds about another 500 / 1,000 revs before falling off the boil, using my local daily route, and 'markers' for comparison and reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sambb View Post
    I looked pretty deeply into the different valves a while back. There are slight resistance differences of the coils but I don't think that would result in any differences in performance. The main thing is that valves like the 'j' and 'h' have a smaller orifice in the bottom leg and/or different degrees of restriction in the leg that releases air to the inlet. Basically these have the effect that for a given amount of on time of the solenoid, less pressure will accumulate in the wastegate actuator thereby keeping the wastegate flapper shut longer giving faster ramp up or higher peak boost depending on how the orifices are configured. Some of the N75's (mine does) have a small adjustment screw in the top of the valve that can slightly alter the bleed rate through the long leg into the inlet manifold. I assume it is a factory set and forget but its almost impossible to adjust afterwards though.
    Each valve was designed for different cars, engines and ECU boost curves and putting them on our car might be plug and play but its also a stab in the dark and whether that makes them work optimally with our fuel, timing etc is another thing. Like Gav said you'd really have to log it. There is definite value to modifying N75 air flows if you are suffering from overboost after say fitting a dump pipe though.
    Also agree. It's probable that I've just replaced an out of spec part with one that works back in serviceable working range.

    Whatever the reason, car feels way more alive, more pleasing to drive, and has the mod bug playing with my mind.

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    is your car stock tune still is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sambb View Post
    is your car stock tune still is it?
    Trying to decipher your message. If I'm correct with it, the potential answer is that the isn't running a stock tune, unsure of the level of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amdeman View Post
    I agree; it is highly possible that the original unit was dead, or dying, and that this just fixed that.
    As it turns out the car already has a tune, a REVO in it from Japan (score), unsure of what the tune is, or what parameters are set.
    As yet, I don't have logging ability; it is on the wish list. By using SOTP-o-meter the car certainly pulls noticeably better, holds about another 500 / 1,000 revs before falling off the boil, using my local daily route, and 'markers' for comparison and reference.
    When they're dead, you know it. It will run on about 8psi boost, and that's slow... As mine died, it was intermittent, sometimes I had full boost, other times there was nothing. It may not be quite so obvious on a non-tuned car though, I can't really remember how they drive. 8psi boost on a tuned car makes you feel like you're driving a Nissan Micra, high throttle input everywhere. I had to replace my N75 on my 08 gti, just got whatever VW gave me according to VIN specs. It would have also throw an engine code if the old one was failing, if you can find someone who can scan it (even the free version of VCDS will identify it) and can clear it. It won't show the check engine light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seangti View Post
    When they're dead, you know it. It will run on about 8psi boost, and that's slow... As mine died, it was intermittent, sometimes I had full boost, other times there was nothing. It may not be quite so obvious on a non-tuned car though, I can't really remember how they drive. 8psi boost on a tuned car makes you feel like you're driving a Nissan Micra, high throttle input everywhere. I had to replace my N75 on my 08 gti, just got whatever VW gave me according to VIN specs. It would have also throw an engine code if the old one was failing, if you can find someone who can scan it (even the free version of VCDS will identify it) and can clear it. It won't show the check engine light.
    In hindsight, always 20/20, the car has been on and off with performance.
    Now it has a real 'urgency' with the way it responds and drives, compared to the lacklustre drive that it was.
    I'm going to see a guy that does the REVO tuning / chipping here in Auckland and see what tune I've actually got, and see if there is anything to alter / improve.
    Other than the valve; what else is there to change, that will allow more fun?
    Looking at the I/C to T/B, and TIP, downpipe, followed by a tune for power, then suspension and brakes for the necessary safety aspect; what are the usual do's and don'ts with these cars?

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    Personally I'd do 3' downpipe +cat if money tight or full system if you have $, a retune to suit, then intercooler and then you'll probably want to spend money on not sliding off the road (dampers, bars, springs). You can waste a lot of money on plugs, DV's, silicon pipes, overrated CAI's - its all diminishing returns type expenditure really. Do the big stuff first.

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