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    Who can host pictures & PDF's for me?

  2. #432
    xtturbo,

    Please don't take offence, and if you have one, that's your choice. The FACT is that more than 7 people have complained of boost & power drops after installing the FORGE intercooler. We have a couple of hundred Polo customers, so after results at a QLD dyno day in 2009, we (with the help of a customer that experienced boost & power drops) had the intercoolers tested on a dyno, data logged & Flow Bench tested.

    In all seriousness, the intercooler manufacturer who owns the flow bench we used for testing honestly thought the FORGE unit was a joke, and stated categorically, that you would be better off with a stock intercooler & heat soak than having such a flow restriction in the system.

    We forwarded this information to Plautos as he had a similar problem, so we have seen it on K03, K04 & GT turbo Polo's, so it's not an isolated one off.

    I really don't care what you bolt on to your own car, but I challenge you to have a stock intercooler tested side by side with the FORGE unit & ask a professional opinion (an intercooler fabricator), based on the flow results, on what they would rather bolt on a vehicle. That is simply what we did.

    If you think this is "competitor slanging", you are incorrect, this simply is a product that we firmly believe (and have the data to back it up) that you are better off not having it on your car.

    Can you please supply data that shows otherwise. Certainly I know one owner who asked Forge about their testing data & design criteria, and at last contact, there was no response.

    Note, we have never tested any other Polo specific intercoolers, not the Seat diesel one, or custom ones, so I have no data or seen any evidence on how they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_H View Post
    Who can host pictures & PDF's for me?
    I will. Send me an email at dazein @ me .com with the files

    Cheers,

    Jarrad

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    Jarrad, you have 3 emails on the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_H View Post
    Jarrad, you have 3 emails on the way!
    Ok,

    I've done a brief analysis, and if we accept Guy's flowbench testing of the units (which I am happy to), the situation is as follows:

    1. The Forge unit flows 310cfm. Thats about enough to make 170kw (at the flywheel), but no more.

    2. Therefore, the Forge unit should not be used on cars that go past chipped K03s spec.


    I'll post something more convincing later,

    Cheers Guy.

  6. #436
    If you could post up the flow chart please with the details of the three intercooler comparison (convert from PDF to jpeg?).

    Our original intercooler was done by ARE, and after testing several cores, we went with the APR for several reasons. We had to downsize the entry pipe & change the exit pipe size as well, but you can see from the floe charts & the fact that the air spends (at 7200rpm's) .037 seconds in the core!

    ARE's information is here:

    ARE Cooling (Aluminium Radiators & Engineering P/L) Lag

    If anyone wants to put a Forge intercooler up for testing, please let me know, I will happily get Richard at ARE to test. He is not as subtle about poor design.

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    If you want the stuff hosted Guy pm me the stuff, I've no problem hosting it and putting it up here for you.

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    my fellow watercoolers- some people would have you believe that things are SO STRINGENT!!!

    the truth is... facebook.... what?

    oh yeah... i have a dealer login... i plug the car in... i download the file......

    im presuming that this post will get deleted... but it's that easy... there's no ****ing genius over here, sorting out special fuel/air maps.... all the ****ers over here simply plug into the dealer network and download the file with the "customers" car plugged in.

    lol. so much for "special workmanship". certain people are full of isht. oh... and tunes only cost THEM $250 A PIECE, too.

    oops. sorry. for being honest... just trying to do the right thing by VeeDubbers...

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    Here are the images that Guy wanted hosted ... I'll leave it in his capable hands to explain what they all mean












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    Thanks.

    So what do the numers mean and what specific info is there on the vehicles on the Dyno?

    I don't doubt the data, just need to be able to understand it...

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