ESP on TDI ?

[Preen59]

I know hundai is not the best car in the world but by all mean their diesel i30 is quite a car. yup u get variable turbo vane (some thing similar to 911 turbo)from a korean car and not vw... also its 1.6 and does more power than the 1.9 polo... not the same build quality but vw is not the best in reliability either... thats just me...

Mate, the 1.9 TDI has a variable vane turbo.

And the 1.6 has to work a hell of a lot harder than the 1.9 to produce that power.

PLUS the fact that the hyundai will be a shagged, rattly piece of sh*t in 3 years, and the polo will be just getting going.

But by all means, go buy a hyundai. Its your money.

[philthy]

Golf 1.6 edition has esp standard for $25K... just a thought

[pologti18t]

Forget diesel. Total waste in a small engined car.

Just tell her to get a petrol Polo or i30

[Sharkie]

Forget diesel. Total waste in a small engined car.

Just tell her to get a petrol Polo or i30

No, the small petrol engines are totally gutless unless you live at 6000rmin. The TDI's provide masses of torque at 2000rm and make for very relaxed and efficient driving.

TDI Polo has 240NM at 1800rmin while the 1.6 Polo has 153NM at 3800rmin. Big difference in everyday useability.

Even better, with an Oettinger chip it has 315NM at 1900rmin which is actually better than a chipped GTI at that revs. GTI makes 330 but at 3000rmin.

Having owned a number of 1.5-1.6 small hatches over many years I know that they are very slow at low revs and if you drive them enthusiastically quite heavy on fuel.

If you can't go petrol turbo then diesel turbo is 2nd best, way better than NA.

[RhysQ]

Even better, with an Oettinger chip it has 315NM at 1900rmin which is actually better than a chipped GTI at that revs. GTI makes 330 but at 3000rmin.

well then, that would be all i'd need to hear to get me into the Polo TDi (if i was comparing the two). i'm sure you couldn't find a performance chip for the i30. what are the kW claims on this Oettinger chip?

[VW GTI]

What are the kW claims on this Oettinger chip?

max. power: 100 kW (136 bhp) @ 4000 rpm
max. torque: 231 lb ft (315 Nm) @ 1900 rpm

[pologti18t]

Hmmm, all you guys are basing the purchase on what YOU want.... not what the actual purchaser wants....

1. She wants esp... If the Polo TDI doesn't have it then its eliminated. The 1.6L Polo petrol does have it and is cheaper than the TDI.

2. There is nothing wrong with the i30. It's perhaps the ONLY diesel car on the road that makes any economic sense. The rest give you no payback on the equivalent petrol model.

3. Does the purchaser want auto or manual? No auto for Polo TDi, 4 speed auto for i30 and 6 speed auto for Polo petrol.

Now for a reality check.. Petrol in sydney is in the 153c/l range. Diesel is over 180c/l. How anyone could recommend someone to buy a diesel for a round the town shopping trolley at the moment has ROCKS in their head.

[VW GTI]

Hmmm, all you guys are basing the purchase on what YOU want.... not what the actual purchaser wants....

1. She wants esp... If the Polo TDI doesn't have it then its eliminated. The 1.6L Polo petrol does have it and is cheaper than the TDI.

2. There is nothing wrong with the i30. It's perhaps the ONLY diesel car on the road that makes any economic sense. The rest give you no payback on the equivalent petrol model.

3. Does the purchaser want auto or manual? No auto for Polo TDi, 4 speed auto for i30 and 6 speed auto for Polo petrol.

Now for a reality check.. Petrol in sydney is in the 153c/l range. Diesel is over 180c/l. How anyone could recommend someone to buy a diesel for a round the town shopping trolley at the moment has ROCKS in their head.

Sharkie is the actual purchaser (well, almost) and he's saying they don't want petrol...

Also...

Australia's Best Cars Awards for Best Small Car 2007
For the second year running, the Volkswagen Polo TDI wins Australia's Best Cars Awards for Best Small Car 2007. With it's winning combination of power, features and economy, the Volkswagen Polo TDI packs a big punch in a little package.

The smooth and quiet TDI offers ultra-low fuel consumption of just 5.0/100km*, making it possible to drive up to 900kms on a single tank of 45 litres. Producing 74kW of power and a staggering 240Nm of torque, the Polo TDI comes standard with a precise 5 speed manual transmission.

45/900 = 5L/100km

1.6L would get 600ish out of 45 L
45/600 = 7.5L/100km

5 * $1.80/L = $9/100km
7.5 * $1.50/L = $11.25/100km

The petrol engine would need to get 750km out of a tank to match the TDi, I can tell you which would be easier to drive while achieving those figures looking at the low end torque & power of the TDi opposed to the petrol. Who's the one with rocks in their head?

[Pumpe-Düse]

Sharkie is the actual purchaser (well, almost) and he's saying they don't want petrol...

Also...





45/900 = 5L/100km

1.6L would get 600ish out of 45 L
45/600 = 7.5L/100km

5 * $1.80/L = $9/100km
7.5 * $1.50/L = $11.25/100km

The petrol engine would need to get 750km out of a tank to match the TDi, I can tell you which would be easier to drive while achieving those figures looking at the low end torque & power of the TDi opposed to the petrol. Who's the one with rocks in their head?

It would be nice if the Polo actually got those figures.

Mine's best so far of 5.67L/100km isn't as impressive though. That means 793.65km out of 45 litres. Not quite 900.

45*1.849 = $83.21.

My old Clio's best figure combined was 7.2L/100km. 50L tank, 98 RON. $81.55 (1.631 for 9 for 694km + 7.2L more to match the Polo, $93.29 total. $10 difference weekly. With best on best figures. My two cars compared to each other. $520/year. Enough for a greenslip. Not quite the saving I was expecting ($2000+) though. And that's with a 2.0L hot-hatch that requires 98.

A small economy based car that only needs 91 RON would probably cost the same to run as the TDI does... but then you run into a few other things to remember...

#1. The 1.9 TDI engine in the Polo is an old technology engine that's been around a few years. Dating back to 1993, with the Pumpe-Duse direct injection setup added in 1998. The 2.0 TDI engine in the Golfs is more efficient.

#2. The type of petrol engine you will need to match the economy of the Polo with it using closer to 6L/100km like mine is will be a small, whiney, gutless thing that's very uninspiring to own. I like having 240Nm @ 1800-2400rpm.

#3. I'm still of the belief that my car's economy will get better as it loosens up. I'm not sure about hitting the 5.0L/100km the sticker has on it, but I don't think something like 5.4 or 5.3L/100km is too unreasonable after a few thousand more km.

#4. Polo 1.9 TDI >>>>>>>>>>>> Hyundai i30.

[pologti18t]

I stand corrected... only the Polo Gti is available with ESP from the VW spec sheets.

THese are the articles and figures people should be examining before buying a diesel car.

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/resou...b9f0/small.pdf
http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/resou...9d2a/light.pdf

With increases in road freight and therefore the demand on diesel supplies the price disparity between petrol and diesel will always remain or may even get worse.