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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage View Post
    And refit the rear anti-roll bar?
    I might but MCA are not a big believer it seems. The theory that the correct shocks and springs should mean that you don't need one...... We'll have to see.

    With the wheels aligned it drives so much better, done 80km into Brisbane and back today. The ride is bouncy and if you run over a dropped man hole or similar the back doesn't like it. The front is happy.

    Need to find somewhere with really tight corners, out on the open road the speed involved in testing the limits wouldn't be funny

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    Not enough weight and/or rear springs too hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgvlee View Post
    Not enough weight and/or rear springs too hard?
    I could fix it with either I think. Refit the seats and spare, which would also improve weight distribution. Or go with the softer springs. I have no doubt the ones in there would be spot on at a track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h100vw View Post
    I might but MCA are not a big believer it seems. The theory that the correct shocks and springs should mean that you don't need one...... We'll have to see.
    I think it's a great theory for offroading and dirt rallying but the spring rates needed to control the roll would be hard to live with on tarmac. But it will be interesting to see.

    What front anti-roll bar are you running? (I'd be astonished if they could fit springs heavy enough there to cope without one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage View Post
    I think it's a great theory for offroading and dirt rallying but the spring rates needed to control the roll would be hard to live with on tarmac. But it will be interesting to see.

    What front anti-roll bar are you running? (I'd be astonished if they could fit springs heavy enough there to cope without one)
    Standard bar on the front. I think the main point was that the beam should be pretty much capable of doing the job on it's own.

    PS Hung it round a round about at the airport tonight, definitely cornered harder than it did previously with the roll bar on.

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    Were you running the stock front bar before?

    I keep telling people greater roll stiffness reduces grip but a lot find it hard to accept. It would be interesting to see if the softer rear springs induce understeer
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    Quote Originally Posted by h100vw View Post
    I might but MCA are not a big believer it seems. The theory that the correct shocks and springs should mean that you don't need one......
    Same thoughts from Manta Racing here in SA. I entrust his multiple Bathurst 12 Hour Production trophies more than some plonker on the internet!
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    Me? I've been telling everyone that the Polo doesn't need a rear anti-roll bar if they have the stock front. I added a rear only when I added a stiffer front because the car was lifting the inside wheels on some turns (still does, I've been told).

    But if the rear is skipping about over bumps due to the spring rate, then the balance can be maintained by reducing the spring rate and using an appropriate rear anti-roll bar to maintain the relative roll stiffnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by h100vw View Post
    I might but MCA are not a big believer it seems. The theory that the correct shocks and springs should mean that you don't need one...... We'll have to see.

    With the wheels aligned it drives so much better, done 80km into Brisbane and back today. The ride is bouncy and if you run over a dropped man hole or similar the back doesn't like it. The front is happy.

    Need to find somewhere with really tight corners, out on the open road the speed involved in testing the limits wouldn't be funny
    If you have adjustable rebound or dampening, could softening the rear a tad. It sounds like the common set-up for a performance oriented FWD, but will make it pretty ordinary to drive down the street. I had been warned of that trade off when speaking with MCA and Accurate Suspension about my car and preferred set-up. It's all a sacifice of one thing versus the other. I didn't drop full camber on mine as I'd still like to run it on the street, in reality the difference is probably marginal. The car will also likely tramline quite a lot more with those alignment settings, particularly at speed, though makes it like a dart on the track.

    A race track is about the only location you will be able to truly explore the set-up and balance. We can swap cars at some point so you can have a run in mine.
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