Wind Buffering / Buffeting via Windows or Sunroof

[Corey_R]

We seem to be getting bogged down in a lot of garbage about Cds, wind tunnels, lazy window operators and casual observations being passed off as fact.

No one has suggested that some people drive with their windows down all the time. That's obviously not true. However, Maverick has suggested that "the vast majority of drivers" drive with their windows up "all the time", ie. they never have their windows down while driving. Again, that is patently nonsense.

The original post in this thread complained about buffeting when the windows are open. Whether that is for 5mins per year of driving or more is not the issue. The issue is that it happens a great deal (according to the original poster) in the Golf when other manufacturers can create designs that are still sleek but don't cause excessive buffeting.

The issue is your use of non-quantifiable things like "sleek" and "aerodynamic". Who here can say that these other cars ARE as "sleek" or "aerodynamic" as the Golf.
Also, in the past few weeks I've been in Suzukis, Fords, Audis, Mazdas and Peugots for various reasons. All had wind buffeting annoying enough for me to put the window up - so again - so in my experience I don't think manufacturers can make modern aerodynamic cars which don't have buffeting - but it's just my opinion, like your opinion is yours.

The reason for looking at the other "garbage" is because it is quantifiable data, rather than peoples opinions.

[BBP]

Once you're going too fast it's too noisy and windy anyway, like when you go onto the freeway it's not worth having the windows down.

It's nice to have them down if you're going slow and it's a nice day but with the pollution it's not really worth it anyway half the time.

Finally a logic post. I agree.

[Maverick]

We seem to be getting bogged down in a lot of garbage about Cds, wind tunnels, lazy window operators and casual observations being passed off as fact.

It's a fact that more than 95% of the cars I see have their windows up.

No one has suggested that some people drive with their windows down all the time. That's obviously not true. However, Maverick has suggested that "the vast majority of drivers" drive with their windows up "all the time", ie. they never have their windows down while driving. Again, that is patently nonsense.

You can nit pick all you want, I'm sure that people do have their windows down at different times for a short period but it changes nothing and doesn't make my argument incorrect.

The original post in this thread complained about buffeting when the windows are open. Whether that is for 5mins per year of driving or more is not the issue. The issue is that it happens a great deal (according to the original poster) in the Golf when other manufacturers can create designs that are still sleek but don't cause excessive buffeting.

The majority of cars on the market now would suffer from buffeting under certain conditions, my Subaru did under some conditions, my Ford did under some conditions and the Golf does under some conditions. All can be alleviated by adjusting, opening another window and/or fitting a weathershield.

Unless you can post some proof of your claim (which is really a casual observation based on third hand information from one poster being passed off as fact) that other manufacturers do not suffer from wind buffeting I would suggest that your posts are pointless as they don't contribute anything, at least others are discussing this based on valid data and experience.

[velly_16v_cab]

3 pages in and NO ONE has commented on my post.........

[Corey_R]

3 pages in and NO ONE has commented on my post.........

Lol... ok, I'll bite!
Do you have any data that you can share on the Ford's that you've tested, as well as the competitors that you've tested?

[dave_r]

i know at ford (where i work) we do not test for whid noise with the windows open.

how do i know?
I test our cars and the competitors cars

I only just saw this thread and the first thing I was going to say to the OP was "you've never driven a falcon" LOL
I've had BF, BFII and FG and they're all TERRIBLE and that is with the windows UP.

O/T... what do you guys actually test? The issues I've had with my latest FG have been so stupid it's laughable!

Lol... ok, I'll bite!
Do you have any data that you can share on the Ford's that you've tested, as well as the competitors that you've tested?

EDIT: LOL I've been away for a few days!

[G-rig]

Don't get dave- started on Fords,

[BBP]

I thought the FGs were pretty good ?!

[Corey_R]

They are good... good for a Falcon

[velly_16v_cab]

lol...all wind noise is done with windows up, no i can not go into full details but i am a tester for falcon and territory

shame i cant get onto a project where we can get a golf
I have tried to get them to buy a passat but we have an audi a6 tho