What to buy? GTI or R20

[Corey_R]

2. I want to test drive both DSG and manual (to see if I can live with the DSG as up till now, no DSG has convinced me otherwise)

DSG on the R will just be the same as on the MKV R32 and MKV/6 GTI... what do you expect may change?

[Sharkie]

DSG on the R will just be the same as on the MKV R32 and MKV/6 GTI... what do you expect may change?

I'm hoping the power increase and especially the way its delivered in combination with the new Haldex system will remove the initial lag upon take-off.

I've test driven many DSGs and cannot live with that lag. In a manual I'm long gone by the time (yes its only about 0.5s) the DSG wakes up and fires off.

I like the way it changes through the gears once its moving so if the lag is gone a DSG I may get.

[elisiX]

Actually I noticed this when I was driving Jackal's TT-S Stage II on the weekend when I put the boot in.

Once it was off the gear changing was deadly smooth .. but the car did seem to take a deep breath (very small period but noticeable) on take off.

Still - the convenience of DSG rules #1 for me in daily Sydney driving.

[Corey_R]

The other thing is that VW were using the 6-speed wet-clutch DSG in the Scirocco 24 hour race cars, apparently without any mechnical modifications, and it operated fine.

This and other indications is what has lead companies like APR to start using the DSG in Stage III and Stage IV GTI upgrades, as well as the Audi S3's equiv (S-Tronic?) in the S3's Stage III upgrade.

All of these are around 300kw and 500NM, and even higher (for the Stage IV etc).

So that 6 speed DSG is turning out to be way more capable than they originally thought.

[Glennb]

Check out the Dyno results from a chipped Tiguan.
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...=30212&page=26

155kW at the wheels (we'll call it stage 1.5??) Waiting for someone to do some 0-100km/hr times to get an idea of how quick it is.

So, for a $60k budget, it could be GTI with options, R20, or chipped and lowered Tig!!

Yes i know there are lots of "value for money" arguments about resale etc, but for driving fun/enjoyment it could be a hard decision.

[Corey_R]

Hmm, I don't know about the Tiguan. Don't get me wrong, there's one in the family and I love it, but as a 'performance car' I'm not sure.

~1350kg = GTI DSG
~1475kg = R DSG
~1600kg = Tiguan 125TSI Manual

Between the 125KG added weight to the R or 250KG over the GTI, and it's additional height, I'm not sure it'd be comparable around the corners. Straight line, fine, but corners?

[Sharkie]

Hmm, I don't know about the Tiguan. Don't get me wrong, there's one in the family and I love it, but as a 'performance car' I'm not sure.

~1350kg = GTI DSG
~1475kg = R DSG
~1600kg = Tiguan 125TSI Manual

Between the 125KG added weight to the R or 250KG over the GTI, and it's additional height, I'm not sure it'd be comparable around the corners. Straight line, fine, but corners?

I'm keeping the Tiguan once the R arrives (its my wife's anyway)

Straight line its much quicker than a stock GTI, and a chipped one as well due to the traction advantages. I can barely get a chirp out of the tyres upon full bore takeoffs.

In in-gear accellaration the weight counts a bit aganst it and here a chipped GTI will have it.

Stock it has pretty good handling, but lowered with decent (grippy) tyres it has no body roll and drives like a stock GTI. With the advantage of AWD as well, I'm pretty confident mine will outhandle a stock GTI.

Its no race car, but as an allround decent family car I doubt there is anything in the VW stable that can match it for the price. At the recent VW Austral day, my brother came to the same conculsion .... why bother with a GTI if for the same money you get the same engine (2.0 turbo) with AWD and more interior space ....

[astro]

How low can you get the tig??

[team_v]

How low can you get the tig??

Apparently they can run super low's without any issues so far in the US.
They are working on a coilover prototype (using R32 suspension) in the US which drops pretty low.
This is the car with teh coilovers on standard oem 18's.


In reality it isn't that much taller than a golf anyway.

[Corey_R]

That's visibly lower than Sharkie's but the Tiguan is 22cm taller than a GTI, so I'm pretty sure you can't lower them the 8.6" required for the Tiguan to match the GTI's height

I don't know - I'm not convinced. 250KG is still a big amount of additional weight, and given the additional height, even if lowered - they'd have to be some awesome tyres and coil overs to match the GTI's corning abilities