VW Australia now have DRIVE AWAY pricing on their website!!!

[Swallowtail]

Infractions have been given for uncessary and inflammatory personal posts. Keep the conversation on topic or the infractions will continue to flow freely...

[elisiX]

Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.

It's not like this is a one off - he does it in just about every response he gives.

I was pointing out the fact that he should try and determine the tone in which the earlier responder used before going off half baked.

[Swallowtail]

Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.

Yep. Because the way in which you did so was unnecessary and inflammatory. And if you wish to continue this argument online then please do so, but note that you will be infracted again for each subsequent off-topic and further inflammatory and unnecessary post.

If you have an issue with an infraction, please take it up via PM to the mods or admins of the site.

[Highlander]

Blame Krudd and his stupid laws and the states and they complicated ways they screw us when buying a car. Stamp duties, registration and so on all vary according to age, purpose of the vehicle and so forth. To provide prices for every option wouldn't be feasible so they provide the most common one.

In another post somewhere in this forum you took a young potential buyer to task over not understanding that insurance premiums could vary from location to location and correctly explained to him that the insurance companies use claims statistics to set their premiums.

I doubt that you can provide any evidence where stamp duties and registration vary according to age. What does vary comes back to your insurance argument. It is the compulsory third party premium that varies both with age, location, use etc but the difference is really pretty minimal in the overall price of a motor vehicle.

Dealer Delivery is really a sugar coated way of saying extra dealer profit. There is no way it can be justified as it was in the past as predelivery preparation of the vehicle.

Dealer Delivery grew up under the old wholesale tax regime where sales tax was paid on the wholesale price of the car and it lowered the overall price to the consumer if "dealer delivery" was not included in the wholesale price as there was no sales tax on "services" before the GST.

Now it is very much the negotiating area for the dealer. On My CC retail dealer delivery was $2995. Corporate dealer delivery $995 - probably why my wheel alignment was out and no RNS510 DVD in the glovebox (just joking). This deficiency is probably shared by the dealer and VWA.

Please be kind to those of us who just like our cars but can see that the cars, the dealers and VWA may, and only may, be susceptible to having some minor flaws.

As far as sales negotiation is concerned, the only way everyone is happy in the deal is when you THINK you have screwed the dealer and the dealer KNOWS he has screwed you.

If you think this reply is a little bit "maverikish" in tone, please accept my apologies in advance as I do value a lot of the information you have provided in many areas of this forum and especially on gti.com. Together with Swallowtail, you have provided my inspiration to spend my money with Ross-Tech, so I can sit in the darkened garage with my PC and enhance my love affair with the CC.

[Swallowtail]

...so I can sit in the darkened garage with my PC and enhance my love affair with the CC.

I don't know whether to be proud or scared...

[TonyJZX]

Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.

It's not like this is a one off - he does it in just about every response he gives.

I was pointing out the fact that he should try and determine the tone in which the earlier responder used before going off half baked.

you and me both

pretty pathetic all round

it's nice to get a 'feel' for a forum

apparently going on an on about the same old tosh is fine as long as it's sympathatic to dealers

but any kind of quasi "aggressive" tone is censured... apparently the 'men' here can't take it...

[Swallowtail]

Dermot - thank you for expressing your thoughts without being offensive or sarcastic. I agree with some of your points, although feel that you may be a little biased from some others... and that is fine - your position dictates that there will be more understanding for one side of this discussion than others.

To everyone - please note that if this discussion turns into another dealer-bashing / member-bashing / pointlessly argumentative / aggressive thread it will be closed.

There is plenty of interesting discussion to be had around these subjects without any of that...

[TonyJZX]

we hear a lot about how hard 'dealers' are doing it in this economic climate... so is every business

i thought this forum would take the perspective of the consumer... why else would you guys go to the effort of coming up with a spreadsheet with all the options and pricing all clearly marked

isn't it normal to go to multiple dealers and get them to battle it out?

why is this any different from any other make?

[elisiX]

That's just the thing - I dont have anything against dealers. I managed to negotiate myself a good deal - happy with it. What I said was that if the RRP by VW is stated based on $1995 DD, but the dealer wants to change $3999 (usually $2999), then you should ask them to justify it. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less. Instead Mav replied with a tone that rubbed me the wrong way when I was just making a point. Only then did it become personal for which I was penalized (not my forum so I have to swallow (pun intended) it).

[Swallowtail]

Absolutely agree that you should make the dealer work for the deal. If they want more than RRP ask them to justify it, and if they can't to your satisfaction then you have the ultimate consumer's right - walk away.

Elisix - if Mav's tone rubbed you up the wrong way then I would suggest that you need to read more in the content and less in the perceived intent... Maverick's posts were factual and correct, albeit expressed in a somewhat blunt manner.

As to 'swallowing' it... that's really bad...