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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    Seeing as you can't run the car in why don't you wait for the car, read the numerous threads on this matter and read the manual when it arrives and make up your mind if you're going to follow Volkswagen's instructions or those posted by someone on the internet who thrashes their cars.
    the reason why i asked is because my last car had no mention in the manual about it at all so I thought I'd ask....in fact can someone who HAS the actual manual just quickly write up what does it say on this matter?
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    Break-In: First & Second GTI Drives.

    The 'Old' MKV GTI (DSG):

    Taking ownership of the MKV GTI involved covering just under 5,000km in @ 1 month driving mainly on the freeway & open highway without touching the paddles or the sports shift. Trips from Sydney to Maitland-Newcastle, Canberra, Jindabyne, Bathurst and Wollongong. The MKV GTI on average would use about 100-150ml of oil per 1,000km – but longer extended interstate trips showed no oil consumption.

    The MK6 Demonstrator (Manual):

    In November 2009 & in the 30 degree heat of the Aussie Summer, I was lucky to have the pleasure of been given a MK6 GTI demonstrator to drive around Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs and South Coast. Keeping an eye on the oil temperature on the new & improved MK6 GTI multi-function display in dashboard. During the hot @ 30 degree day, the oil temperature hovered around 105-108 degrees with the demo manual GTI having @ 1300km on the odometer.

    This vehicle was driven around town very sedately with a view to whether a manual would be suitable for my needs as a new MK6 GTI would no longer be a daily driver. I used the oil temperature of 105-108 degrees as a guide when running in new WJ DSG MK6 GTI.

    Two great new features of the MK6 GTI over the MKV GTI is that the MFD has an electronic Speedo and electronic oil temperature gauge.

    The oil temperature gauge is a good measure for determining the level of friction in the FSI motor. High friction – more heat – higher oil temps. Very high oil temps could result in the oil becoming too fine and not sticking to the bores with the possibility of glazing the bores, leading to high oil consumption down the track.

    The new MK6 GTI DSG:

    Firstly, it’s important to note that the new MK6 GTI (DSG) was delivered in late May 2010 where ambient temperature averaged around 17 degree Celsius – much cooler than when I had the demo manual GTI where average temperature was around 30 degrees Celsius. This proves to have an effect on oil temperature I’ve found, but more on that later.

    Secondly, as all the earlier articles on ‘tips for break-in of motor’ suggest, the MK6 GTI comes with mineral based oil for the first 15,000km before changing to synthetic oil. The mineral oil is far better for trapping those unwanted bits of metal during the bedding in process. The synthetic oil is far too slippery to be used from the outset. The mineral oil imo is easily distinguished from the synthetic in that it seems to look much cleaner than the darker synthetic oil. The dealer states that a mineral oil should be used for the first 15,000km prior to swapping over to synthetic oil for the remaining life of the TSI motor.

    With the MK6 GTI being my second GTI in just under 4 years, and being much better acquainted with the DSG shift patterns and free revving FSI turbo motor, I decided to take a different approach in bedding in the new MK6 GTI.

    In running-in the motor of the new MK6 GTI, I will endeavour to spend much more time driving the GTI as a manual, using the steering wheel paddles, instead of leaving the vehicle in Auto for the duration of the run-in period as was the case with the MKV GTI.

    The new GTI will not be driven in the city for the first 1500km if not more; perhaps as much as 3,000km. I believe, as with the case of the MKV GTI, that this will aid the bedding-in process of mating the motor’s piston rings & bore. Practically all driving will be extra-urban terrain, outside of Sydney to ensure sufficient motor load & compression working the rings out closer to the bore.

    In addition, the revs will be kept pegged between 2,000rpm – 4,000rpm and no more. No need for high revs on a new TSI turbo motor – no need for piston ring flutter – even though the piston rings in the MK6 GTI are stronger than the piston rings in the previous MK5 GTI. All this MK6 GTI requires is a bit of load-on/load-off driving, instead than outright revs.

    The initial drive in the new GTI consisted of a 120km Royal National Park (RNP) drive using the paddles and keeping the revs between 2,000rpm – 3,500rpm with the occasional burst to 4,000rpm. Speed limits in the RNP is either 80kph or 60kph – well under 100kph. This is a gentle drive to ensure all the parts get to know each other without loading up the motor too excessively & avoiding the stop/start idling that city traffic invokes.

    Keeping an eye on oil temperature with the cooler 17 degree air temperature was 96 degrees. The MK6 GTI just likes to sit around 96 degrees on this drive, which is fine by me as I don’t want to be heating things up just yet with too much friction in a new TSI motor.

    The oil temps were lower than the DEMO manual MK6 GTI of around 105-108 degree Celsius when driven in the hot summer. Remember, the oil temp display is a good inadvertent measure of the level of friction in a new motor.

    The first leg of the second run in the GTI the following day involved another RNP drive from Sydney to North Wollongong, then onto the Old Pacific Highway to Bulli and onto the Freeway to Albion Park at the base of Kangaroo Valley’s Macquarie Pass.

    The RNP leg had the oil sitting comfortably at 96 degrees with occasional spikes uphill to 98 degrees. On the freeway at a higher speed of @ 100-110kph the friction levels & load on the motor increased taking oil temps to 98-100 degree Celsius with the ambient temperature still at a coolish 17 degrees Celsius.

    With 220km on the odometer on the new GTI, and spending 80 %+ of the time using the steering wheel shift paddles, the new MK6 GTI was ready for its first real break-in test: Up the steep incline of the Macquarie Pass, which involves rising @ 800 metres from sea level in @ 15km drive to the township of Robertson and the Robertson Pie Shop. I was hoping the oil temperature would stay around 105-110 degrees Celsius indicating that this drive would not be too taxing on the tight new motor – last thing I was to do is glaze the bores that result in higher oil consumption over the longer term. Remember the oil temp in the DEMO GTI in summer temps was averaging 105-108 degrees for standard town driving.

    Up the ‘Pass’, I could see the oil temperature climbing from 96 degrees swiftly to reach a high of 111 degrees Celsius. Driving style & throttle inputs was very sedate, following the Volkswagen Service Manual for running in a motor – really no more than 1/3 throttle & coasting up to each hairpin corner to allow the motor to unload & cool prior to the next hill climb.

    As the MK6 GTI climbed up through Kangaroo Valley, the ambient air temperature dropped from 16.5 degrees to 11.5 degrees near & at the top of the climb. This coupled with several plateaus up the pass, helped pegged the oil temperature at 111 degrees. Any higher than 110 was having me uncomfortable – although I’m told that guys at track days have oil temps up to 130 degree Celsius plus – 111 degrees is still far from the dangerous territory which was reassuring.

    Once up the top of the Macquarie Pass, I coasted through the township of Robertson with DSG in Auto mode to allow the TSI motor temps to normalise back to 96 degrees. It took about 3-5km for oil temps to return to 96 degrees. Stopping the motor to allow it to cool was not an option, as I believe that cooling the motor after a period of load should be gradual, rather than abrupt.

    The break in period continued onto Moss Vale, Bowral, Mittagong and onto Hume Highway with 110km speed limit. On the Hume highway, the oil temp hovers between 98-100 degrees. Taking the exit onto Picton Road to double back to Wollongong (90km South of Sydney) with a 100km speed limit and plenty of 80km learner drivers forcing me to oscillate between 70-100kph power up spurts in 4th and 5th gear still using the DSG in manual mode with no more than 100 degree oil temps (98-100kph). The final leg home was on the undulating freeway between North Wollongong and Sydney with oil temps of no more than 100 degrees.

    Coasting into the South Coast of Sydney and into suburban home – oil temp dropped down to 95 degrees for city driving, which provided a nice steady cool down period prior to putting the GTI away for the weekend.

    The first RNP trip of 120km showed 8.2 l/100km.

    The second round loop Wollongong – Moss Vale – Sydney drive showed 7.5 litres/100km with average speed of 75kph for the 275km drive.

    The new MK6 GTI will have to undergo several of these extra urban drives to ensure a proper break in period prior to being driven around the city.

    Important to note that the Break-In process is as per the Volkswagen Owner’s Manual.

    Hopefully the choice of roadway and ambient air temp will assist with ensuring that this new MK6 GTI, like the old MKV GTI, uses little or no oil down the track.

    As for the oil temperature display on the centre dashboard MFD – great option to indicate how much the motor has been stressed, esp. during the all important break-in period.

    Cheers.
    WJ
    Last edited by WhiteJames; 25-05-2010 at 08:39 PM.

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    Breaking in the Motor:

    The WJ MK6 GTI has now done over 1500km in a little over one week. 95% of driving routes have been extra-urban/country driving – freeways, highways (new & old), plenty of tourist routes with at least one mountain climb thrown into each drive, causing oil temp to rise from an Autumn average of 95-100 degrees to @ 110 degrees for about 10-15 minutes, giving the motor some load causing the metal to expand & mate, followed by a cruise so as temps normalise prior to switch off to prevent any excessive heat soak.

    The GTI has not yet been driven around Sydney metro in stop start traffic. Like the MKV GTI, this should ensure that the GTI will not use or use very little oil in the longer term. May put a couple more tourist route half day/day drives before the GTI is used in city driving.

    Been using the DSG paddles for at least half the time keeping revs between 2,000rpm – 4,000rpm ensure motor remains on boost for most of the time, keeping pressure on the piston rings.

    To date, the new GTI has not consumed any of its mineral based run-in oil.


    Oil Temperature Display (MFD):

    This is a standard feature on the Mark GTI. It’s a great feature. Out in the country areas surrounding Queanbeyan/Canberra, where the early morning temperature is @ 8.0 degrees this time of year, it takes the coolant about 10-15km to reach ideal operating temps – that’s with the DSG in Drive (Auto).

    Interestingly: it took about 30km of normal B-grade country roadway driving with temps at 8.0 degrees for the oil temp to reach anywhere near normal operating temp for this time of year (month of June) which appears to be @ 95-100 degrees Celsius. By the time the coolant temp has reached normal temp after 10-15km, the oil was still a lowly 71 degrees in the cooler weather.

    Point here is that because the coolant temp is up to normal operating temps, doesn’t mean the oil temp has reached its normal operating temp. This would also apply to the DSG gearbox, as I found that without an oil temp display on the old MKV GTI, it always felt like it took the DSG 2-3 times longer to properly warm-up after the coolant reached its normal temperature of 90 degree Celsius.

    I love having this Oil Temp gauge on the MFD.

    Cheers
    WJ

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    Something people dont talk about much is letting the engine cool down a bit before switching it off. Probably not good for the turbo to go for a flogging then turning it off as the oil stops moving through it and the temperatures would go up when the engine is off (I noticed the MDF oil temp doesn't display unless the engine is on). So i'd take it easy the last few minutes of driving before turning the car off, just like you should do when warming it up (I wait till it's warmed up before going over 3,000 rpm). Cold thrashing isn't cool.

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    Good points about the coolant vs engine and dsg oil temps WJ. I've pointed this out to a few people in the past and been shot down about it. Good to see that we can actually see this for real with the MK6 GTI though.

    G-rig, from what I've read, the modern VW turbo motors keep the pump for the turbo running after the motor has been shut off to stop the turbo issues that would have occured in the past from doing so. This is why they don't have "turbo timers" in the modern cars. Having said that, I can't recall where I read this...

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    Re: Tips for breaking in a brand new engine?

    That's good if it's true Corey, wouldn't mind some more info on this.

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    The demo I had got turned off with the oil temp sitting at 111c, and you can hear the pump or fan still going on the car cooling things down.

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    Re: Tips for breaking in a brand new engine?

    So it must only do it above a certain temp.

    I did notice that once actually (straight after I got retuned).

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    Hit 900km this week...

    I'd say 40% stop/start traffic.. 40% highway/no traffic.. 20% giving it some stick.

    I want the motor to be used to opening up .. so i've not used cruise control at all yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteJames View Post
    Breaking in the Motor:

    The WJ MK6 GTI has now done over 1500km in a little over one week. 95% of driving routes have been extra-urban/country driving – freeways, highways (new & old), plenty of tourist routes with at least one mountain climb thrown into each drive, causing oil temp to rise from an Autumn average of 95-100 degrees to @ 110 degrees for about 10-15 minutes, giving the motor some load causing the metal to expand & mate, followed by a cruise so as temps normalise prior to switch off to prevent any excessive heat soak.

    The GTI has not yet been driven around Sydney metro in stop start traffic. Like the MKV GTI, this should ensure that the GTI will not use or use very little oil in the longer term. May put a couple more tourist route half day/day drives before the GTI is used in city driving.

    Been using the DSG paddles for at least half the time keeping revs between 2,000rpm – 4,000rpm ensure motor remains on boost for most of the time, keeping pressure on the piston rings.

    To date, the new GTI has not consumed any of its mineral based run-in oil.


    Oil Temperature Display (MFD):

    This is a standard feature on the Mark GTI. It’s a great feature. Out in the country areas surrounding Queanbeyan/Canberra, where the early morning temperature is @ 8.0 degrees this time of year, it takes the coolant about 10-15km to reach ideal operating temps – that’s with the DSG in Drive (Auto).

    Interestingly: it took about 30km of normal B-grade country roadway driving with temps at 8.0 degrees for the oil temp to reach anywhere near normal operating temp for this time of year (month of June) which appears to be @ 95-100 degrees Celsius. By the time the coolant temp has reached normal temp after 10-15km, the oil was still a lowly 71 degrees in the cooler weather.

    Point here is that because the coolant temp is up to normal operating temps, doesn’t mean the oil temp has reached its normal operating temp. This would also apply to the DSG gearbox, as I found that without an oil temp display on the old MKV GTI, it always felt like it took the DSG 2-3 times longer to properly warm-up after the coolant reached its normal temperature of 90 degree Celsius.

    I love having this Oil Temp gauge on the MFD.

    Cheers
    WJ
    Thanks, WJ, for the useful information.

    Just a quick question (to WJ and others)...
    I live about 2 minutes away from freeway and I use the freeway to go to work (and back home). I usually drive around inner streets a couple of minutes to warm up the car before entering the freeway. But cold winter morning isn't helpful warming up my car and the oil temp is usually about 51c (or less as the display does not show the temp) by the time when I entered the freeway and have to increase the speed to 100km almost soon after entering the freeway (due to merging lanes).

    What kind of damage would my daily/regular driving regime (i.e. driving freeway before warming up the car) cause or do to my car?

    Many thanks in advance.
    Cheers,
    J
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