Resale value - DSG or Manual??

[lawsy82]

What do you guys consider a better option, in the event you will sell the MK6 GTI??

I have ordered 3 door manual, but I am considering changing this to DSG - although it will be like $2,000 more. Im just worried in 3 years time when I try and sell my car, a 3 door manual might be difficult to sell..

I test drove the DSG and I was impressed, but I found the post below from another site, which worries me a bit....

What u guys reckon?

[B]We had the DSG box in the GT but were never really happy with it. Hill starts were very hard, even once we had the box re-programmed (VW identified the problem and attempted to fix it - applied to all DSG boxes internationally). The vehicle would roll back and then just spin the tyres once it got drive. On the other hand, if you rode the brake even the slightest it would engage the traction control and cut drive to the car.
Secondly, on our trip to Nowra last February we were diverted through the mountain roads at Kiama due to a car accident. While going up the main mountain climb the car lost all drive. We stopped to let the box "cool" and we continued with the clutch slipping. We took it to Wippels Service up here and as far as they were concerned, there was not a problem with the car. The problem with the box got worse and worse to the stage where we sold the car.

Thirdly, I know personally of two people who have had catastrophic failures with their DSG boxes. Essentially the clutches have engaged incorrectly causing the box to engage 2 separate gears, rending the car imovable. Once was to a chap here in Toowoomba (05-06) model, and the second person was down in Melbourne (MY0.

Forthly, if the car is to get an APR/Oettinger etc etc tune, the gearboxes will not take the extra torque for any long period of time. There are a number of posts on VW forums with people discussing this problem.
Finally, the cost of the 100k service on the box can be anywhere from $700 to $3200 depending on what clutch packs have to be serviced/replaced. I did not want to have to pay this much for a service on any car.

That is just our experience, friends and people on the forums. There have been just over 5000 MkV's sold, so I am sure that the faults would be a small percentage of totals sales.[/B]

[Nath]

Cant really talk from anything other than my 650km done in my new GTI with DSG, but I've had no problems, its smooth and hill starts are no issue at all, so either they've fixed the problem mentioned in you post or it wasnt as widely spread as they thought.

From memory I read that over two thirds of all GTIs sold in Aus will be DSG, highest uptake in the World, and most of those are the 5 doors.

Talking to Derek (European Autotech), who has a manual mk6 GTI, he said the DSG was pretty reliable, although looking through the service cost estmiates (cant remember where) those DSG services can be costly.

Personally as most of my driving is in Sydney city, whilst I love the manual (Derek gave me a drive) the DSG is more suited to my driving, in addition to the wife never having driven a manual.

For your car I think there will always be a market for the 3 door, and with the manual it will stand out, but I'd say it would be easier to move a 5 door DSG. To be honest I'd buy what you want and will enjoy, when you come to selling the car you will have one of only a few 3 door manuals so whilst it may take a little while you'll probably get a good price for it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Mk6 GTI]

What do you guys consider a better option, in the event you will sell the MK6 GTI??

I have ordered 3 door manual, but I am considering changing this to DSG - although it will be like $2,000 more. Im just worried in 3 years time when I try and sell my car, a 3 door manual might be difficult to sell..

I test drove the DSG and I was impressed, but I found the post below from another site, which worries me a bit....

What u guys reckon?

[B]We had the DSG box in the GT but were never really happy with it. Hill starts were very hard, even once we had the box re-programmed (VW identified the problem and attempted to fix it - applied to all DSG boxes internationally). The vehicle would roll back and then just spin the tyres once it got drive. On the other hand, if you rode the brake even the slightest it would engage the traction control and cut drive to the car.
Secondly, on our trip to Nowra last February we were diverted through the mountain roads at Kiama due to a car accident. While going up the main mountain climb the car lost all drive. We stopped to let the box "cool" and we continued with the clutch slipping. We took it to Wippels Service up here and as far as they were concerned, there was not a problem with the car. The problem with the box got worse and worse to the stage where we sold the car.

Thirdly, I know personally of two people who have had catastrophic failures with their DSG boxes. Essentially the clutches have engaged incorrectly causing the box to engage 2 separate gears, rending the car imovable. Once was to a chap here in Toowoomba (05-06) model, and the second person was down in Melbourne (MY0.

Forthly, if the car is to get an APR/Oettinger etc etc tune, the gearboxes will not take the extra torque for any long period of time. There are a number of posts on VW forums with people discussing this problem.
Finally, the cost of the 100k service on the box can be anywhere from $700 to $3200 depending on what clutch packs have to be serviced/replaced. I did not want to have to pay this much for a service on any car.

That is just our experience, friends and people on the forums. There have been just over 5000 MkV's sold, so I am sure that the faults would be a small percentage of totals sales.[/B]

There are always going to be cases where things go wrong.. though i have heard alot of good things about them also. i ordered a 5dr DSG MK6 GTI. I do alot of city driving and the DSG is great fun to drive and offcourse quick! The servicing will def be more.. but i guess thats the price we have to pay for that kind of technology. At the end of the day if you have your mind set on a manual get a manual! hehe And if 3 door is your thing then just get it!

These days im guessing a 5dr DSG will be the more popular choice, but if there are only a limited number of 3dr manuals then you may even get a better resale..it just might take longer to sell..

[Maverick]

What do you guys consider a better option, in the event you will sell the MK6 GTI??

I have ordered 3 door manual, but I am considering changing this to DSG - although it will be like $2,000 more. Im just worried in 3 years time when I try and sell my car, a 3 door manual might be difficult to sell..

I test drove the DSG and I was impressed, but I found the post below from another site, which worries me a bit....

What u guys reckon?

Whoever wrote that is an idiot, explanations below.

[B]We had the DSG box in the GT but were never really happy with it. Hill starts were very hard, even once we had the box re-programmed (VW identified the problem and attempted to fix it - applied to all DSG boxes internationally). The vehicle would roll back and then just spin the tyres once it got drive. On the other hand, if you rode the brake even the slightest it would engage the traction control and cut drive to the car.

Two points here.

1) There was no problem with the box, a hill start requires either practised use the accelerator as the brake is eased off or use the hand brake like in a manual.
2) The accelerator (fly by wire) is cut when you press the brake pedal. Whilst there are some benefits to left foot braking clearly they couldn't manage it properly.

Both of these are detailed in the manual so clearly they couldn't read.

Secondly, on our trip to Nowra last February we were diverted through the mountain roads at Kiama due to a car accident. While going up the main mountain climb the car lost all drive. We stopped to let the box "cool" and we continued with the clutch slipping. We took it to Wippels Service up here and as far as they were concerned, there was not a problem with the car. The problem with the box got worse and worse to the stage where we sold the car.

I can see left foot braking causing this as each time he'd apply the brakes it would engage the clutches but who knows what occured.

Thirdly, I know personally of two people who have had catastrophic failures with their DSG boxes. Essentially the clutches have engaged incorrectly causing the box to engage 2 separate gears, rending the car imovable. Once was to a chap here in Toowoomba (05-06) model, and the second person was down in Melbourne (MY0.

Sounds unlikely and the story has been mangled from a mechatronics needing replacement to a catastrophic failure!

Forthly, if the car is to get an APR/Oettinger etc etc tune, the gearboxes will not take the extra torque for any long period of time. There are a number of posts on VW forums with people discussing this problem.

More rubbish, there are so many cars out there running 500+ NM through stock boxes with no problems.

Finally, the cost of the 100k service on the box can be anywhere from $700 to $3200 depending on what clutch packs have to be serviced/replaced. I did not want to have to pay this much for a service on any car.

More absolute rubbish, the clutches are designed to last the life of the car.

That is just our experience, friends and people on the forums. There have been just over 5000 MkV's sold, so I am sure that the faults would be a small percentage of totals sales.[/B]

There's been a few more than 5000 sold and there are around 2.5 million DSG's on the road.

The post is full of so many glaring errors, bulls*$t and rubbish that you can discount everything that was posted.

[Maverick]

Talking to Derek (European Autotech), who has a manual mk6 GTI, he said the DSG was pretty reliable, although looking through the service cost estmiates (cant remember where) those DSG services can be costly.

Service cost for the DSG is $400 every 60,000kms!

[pologti18t]

Buy the transmission you want... dont worry about resale. You could take the $2000 saved and stick it in a term deposit for 3 yrs

[G-rig]

Yeah, the type of transmission is a minor thing to take into account, but I assume DSG may be easier to sell as people think it's the you beaut thing to get.. 6MT's could turn around to be more rare, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run/service so could work out ok.

Agree, get whatever suits you, cars aren't investments and you get shafted either way (just look at resale values at the moment in general).

[ENERG1]

Maverick

This is a public forum and everyone and anyone can post and express
their opinions, in a civilised manner.

There is no need for name calling on this FORUM!!

Stop slamming every person who puts his two cents across

Luke

[Maverick]

Maverick

This is a public forum and everyone and anyone can post and express
their opinions, in a civilised manner.

There is no need for name calling on this FORUM!!

Stop slamming every person who puts his two cents across

Luke

Luke, I was responding to a post that he found on another forum. I wasn't having a go at the OP.

Did you even read the part where he said "I found this post on another site which worries him a bit".

I pointed out that whoever wrote it was an idiot and it's nothing to worry about, I even went into detail as to why he should ignore the comments!

[Bizi]

I'd think that your car's condition (how well it's logbook maintained, garaged, kept as-new, kms) will have a much larger effect on resale, but a car's general resale is affected by so many factors.

I think that with the uptake of DSG transmissions by sportscar makers (mostly VAG, now others) will help DSG in the longer term, to win over a greater percentage of future MkVI GTI buyers.

This is an interesting debate topic.