MT vs DSG survey

[Rocket36]

The behaviour of the DSG is actually what makes the DSG so completely different to a traditional auto though. That's what people are saying...

[Beaker]

If it doesn't have a clutch pedal and can shift gears by itself, its an auto.

Let the flaming begin

I know how to left foot brake, double down, know how to pick gears without the clutch etc etc. I can blip the throttle on the downchange myself - I don't need the car to do it for me, so I can look like a hero to those in the lane next to me.

Maybe I'm oldschool - but TC / ABS / DSG / ESP all remove driver input, they are excellent in that they stop people having crashes on the road, but IMHO they have no place in true performance cars. There should be a big switch on the dash in EVERY performance car called 'fun police OFF' and it should turn it all completely off (not halfway like the Stability Control in the Golf!).


Now - I'm wearing my flame proof undies so ............ go!

[Rocket36]

Only one thing to say to that...

Formula 1. The most high performance cars in the world.

[ricksterrr]

Do you guys think that in 10 years time there will be a much larger proportion of semi-automatic/automated manual transmissions vs traditional MT (where MT will be in the minority)? It will be a shame if the traditional manual transmission falls out of favour with the public.

though really you could call me a hypocrite for saying that since I ordered DSG

[Corey_R]

Do you guys think that in 10 years time there will be a much larger proportion of semi-automatic/automated manual transmissions vs traditional MT (where MT will be in the minority)? It will be a shame if the traditional manual transmission falls out of favour with the public.

I'd say so - auto's are already more popular than manuals in many countries, so if you have something which is capable of 'manual performance and efficiency' but has other benefits, then the public may head towards that too.

[Beaker]

Only one thing to say to that...

Formula 1. The most high performance cars in the world.

True. But how many DSG car drivers have the excuse that they have to constantly adjust stuff like swaybar ratio's, diff preloads brake pedal adjustments, accelerator pedal profile not to mention monitor fuel ratio, fuel use, brake temperature, gearbox oil temperature, diff temperature and about 15 different engine temps. All at 250km/h +

I'll modify what I said if you like - if your steering wheel looks like this (and you actually know what it all does and do it while driving flat out) DSG is probably better then a manual and if you have a power to weight of ~1000KW/Ton I'll even let you have Traction Control

[Corey_R]

True. But how many DSG car drivers have the excuse that they have to constantly adjust stuff like swaybar ratio's, diff preloads brake pedal adjustments, accelerator pedal profile not to mention monitor fuel ratio, fuel use, brake temperature, gearbox oil temperature, diff temperature and about 15 different engine temps. All at 250km/h +

I'm not really sure I get the relevance of that... but I'll counter by saying, how many 'manual hold-outs' really need to manually operate the clutch pedal themselves, so that they can do things like reverse j-turns, stunt driving, and motorkhana for which the DSG is not optimally suited to?

[Beaker]

Um - actually I'd be one of those

But that's beside the point - I LIKE swapping the cogs myself. So much of the pleasure of driving a sports car has been clouded by electronics these days. DSG in my opinion is just another in a long line of three letter acronyms taking the driving away from me.

[Corey_R]

Well, if you fall in one of those categories, you'd probably be in a 0.5% minority!

I do get the swapping cogs and pressing the clutch thing though, and if I were to have a car which was JUST for weekend or track days or something like that, I'd more than likely get a manual again too. It's just that the majority of my driving is not for that, and therefore, the DSG still has the performance qualities of a true manual, but the convenience of not having a manually operated clutch

[GTi Crow]

True. But how many DSG car drivers have the excuse that they have to constantly adjust stuff like swaybar ratio's, diff preloads brake pedal adjustments, accelerator pedal profile not to mention monitor fuel ratio, fuel use, brake temperature, gearbox oil temperature, diff temperature and about 15 different engine temps. All at 250km/h +

I'll modify what I said if you like - if your steering wheel looks like this (and you actually know what it all does and do it while driving flat out) DSG is probably better then a manual and if you have a power to weight of ~1000KW/Ton I'll even let you have Traction Control

Defintely looks like my Golf GTI steering wheel.