MT vs DSG survey

[nau]

Yeah windmagnet, those are basically my feelings too. From this day forward I will always prefer a DSG type gearbox over manual and both of them heavily over an auto. I can't stand autos, but I love the DSG for all the reasons you mentioned and more

Im just wondering if we gone see the day when car will be AUTO/DSG/WhAtever_naME_they_can_comeup_with by default an MANUAL will cost extra ))))

[Corey_R]

Well from the sounds of things nau, the new Polo GTI will be DSG only. So maybe we're not quite at the stage where manual is extra, but yeah

[mfl]

Im just wondering if we gone see the day when car will be AUTO/DSG/WhAtever_naME_they_can_comeup_with by default an MANUAL will cost extra ))))

Although I have no interest in owning a DSG, (and respect everyones choice in getting one, I have driven a 90tsi with 7 sp DSG and thought it great) I think what will happen is that manuals will simply not be available. Currently you can't get every model car in a manual.

As this was my first VW and needed a car with a decent size boot (teenagers, sports etc) I also had a look at the Jetta 147TSI, but no manual was available. (yes it quickly picked the GTI instead).

Seeing Australians, like the Americans prefer autos to manuals, VW Aus, will just import DSGs at some stage, when manuals sales falls,

though I hope I will be able to get a mk 8 in manual sometime in the future.

[Dubya]

Yeah windmagnet, those are basically my feelings too. From this day forward I will always prefer a DSG type gearbox over manual and both of them heavily over an auto. I can't stand autos, but I love the DSG for all the reasons you mentioned and more

Nonetheless, I am yet to read any reasons why the DSG provides a superior driving experience to the manual.

I have read justifications for DSG such as:

- dual-clutch autos are used in F1 (but Coreying says they retain the clutch for launch);

- dual-clutch autos are used in Ferraris etc;

- DSG makes a nice sound between gear changes;

- DSG offers gear changes that are quicker by a degree (that is of little moment on the road).

But I have not read how doing less (by surrendering control of the clutch to a CPU) enhances the driving experience.

Easier, sure. Sounds great, if you say so. Technological tour de force , no doubt. Used on race tracks (so are slicks etc etc).

But a more engaging and enjoyable driving experience?

How exactly? If I knew that I might be convinced to switch.

Speaking of which, I thought Coreying might have put in his two cents worth about the Monty Hall Dilemma in General Discussion. I am sure his views, being those of, if I understand correctly, a self-proclaimed "logician", would be valued and carry some weight.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...ad.php?t=42135

[jayjay]

i think i my experience of driving and being driven in an automated clutch car (family has a 118 tsi 7sp and the first get smg m3 respectively), i've found that there's a greater level of control over the gearshifts as opposed to an automatic.

and whilst i'm religiously a manual driver ( i like mind mapping the mechanism as i shift ), had i wanted to drive fast around a race track, and lacked the coordination to heel-toe, aggresively launch etc, a gearbox like the dsg or smg would be a lot more consistent and most probably faster than i could shift myself.

[trueman]

Totally off topic of the original thread!!
They always end up with the MT proponents beating their chest.