Mk6 GTI or Mk5 GTI Pirelli

[Lukey13]

Yeah, I'm sure the Mk5 is plenty quiet. Obviously quietness and low NVH is a positive trait and "tomb-like" quietness is even better (as long as the engine note is there). Although having driven a Mk6 TDI with 18" wheels I didn't think it was much quieter than some of the other luxury cars I've owned or driven. No big deal though.

What do you mean by "goatee" on the GTI?

[Edra]

The Pirelli has stiffer, lower suspension than a standard mk 5 gti to begin with. the mk6 gti uses a revised version of the 2.0 litre turbo(ED88 or whatever that has been deemed unsuitable by VAG for high RPM or high HP applications, it is more efficient and economical in power production but nothing compared to its older brother for making peak power, hence the reason it is not used in the mk 6 golf R. with just a flash the Pirelli is making 230kw approx 300hp and 400nm Tq, at the motor. further an Carbonio intake, Apr fuel pump and Turbo back exhaust will give you 350hp (250+kw) at the motor.
I agree the mk 6 looks great, but if you want roll on power that eats modded evo 9s Go for the Pirelli. nothing comes close for the money.
you can hit the dealer for no costs or duty's out the door i would suggest around 48.000 drive away.

[Sharkie]

All the GTI's, including the Pirelli have issues putting the power to the road when modified. All would be quicker if they had AWD .... for a classic example have a look at the latest Motor magazine to see how ineffective FWD and massive power is.

If you are to leave the cars stock I would pick in this order .... on immediate stock available

1. R32
2. Pirelli
3. GTI MK5

I'd rather wait a bit and get a MK6 GTI though, it will be current for 3-5years and you won't feel like you are driving an old car almost immediatly.

But for the ultimate wait about 12 months and get the MK6 R .... AWD and the 2.0T goodness ..... it is essentially a Pirelli upspecced crossed with a R32 to get the best of both worlds. Around $58K + ORC

[pologti18t]

The Pirelli has stiffer, lower suspension than a standard mk 5 gti to begin with.

You sure? I think the only change is the 18inch wheel/tyre combo (Pirelli).

The MK6 Gti has been lowered compared to the Mk5 Gti.

[tinto]

Man there's gonna be a logjam on the new R when it is released.
Sharkie, good on you for getting your name in early

I'd personally be hesitant to pick up a new model in it's first year.
That's not an endorsement to get a MK5, but I'm wary of being a guinea pig (although the new 2.0 TSI engine has been around for a little while now).

(written by a pirelli driver)

[Lukey13]

...the mk6 gti uses a revised version of the 2.0 litre turbo(ED88 or whatever that has been deemed unsuitable by VAG for high RPM or high HP applications, it is more efficient and economical in power production but nothing compared to its older brother for making peak power, hence the reason it is not used in the mk 6 golf R. with just a flash the Pirelli is making 230kw approx 300hp and 400nm Tq, at the motor. further an Carbonio intake, Apr fuel pump and Turbo back exhaust will give you 350hp (250+kw) at the motor.
I agree the mk 6 looks great, but if you want roll on power that eats modded evo 9s Go for the Pirelli. nothing comes close for the money.
you can hit the dealer for no costs or duty's out the door i would suggest around 48.000 drive away.

Does that mean that the Mk6 GTI can't be flashed the same way the Mk5 can (to around 180kw?)?

230kw in a Pirelli sure would be an addictive surge of power...
I wish the Audi S3 Quattro wasn't such a hike in price from the VW, as that would be almost unstoppable running that power through AWD.

[tinto]

The new 2.0TSI engine has been out in the MK5 in other parts of the world for a while.
I believe it is already here in the 2.0 litre skodas.

and the tuning potential is roughly the same.

[Edra]

4wd is great especially in less than optimal conditions, off the line etc but it adds quite a bit more weight to the car and resistance to drivetrain and engine, the new Haldex system will likely have some cool tricks up its sleeve's on the mk 6 R with its diff split. But on the mk5 R32 power at the wheels compared to the engine was a greater percentage loss than the mk 5 GTI.
so roll on power from 60 kmh in a chipped 240kw Pirelli vs 240 kw chipped Golf R would be interesting to compare.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxd2I...eature=related

[gregozedobe]

so roll on power from 60 kmh in a chipped 240kw Pirelli vs 240 kw chipped Golf R would be interesting to compare.

If it's dry and good traction I'd be putting my money on the Pirelli (lighter, less drivetrain losses), but in the wet the Golf R would get an initial advantage (AWD = less wheelspin).

[triode12]

Unless you are going to take you car on the track, all this power is academic in anyway.

The important thing is that the car is fun to drive on a daily basis and the MkV GTI and Pirelli definitely fit the bill. I can't comment on the MkVI so try before you buy.

There are more powerful cars out there that are better track vehicles but if you aren't going to take the car onto a track, get the one that puts a smile on your face everytime you drive it and not one that has the higher "numbers".... because there will always be car out there with better specs. A car that is fun to drive on a daily basis at what ever price is not easy to come by/find.