MK6 GTI cancelled - is a R32 an option?

[backdoc]

I had a Black MkV R32. 3dr, dsg, sunroof etc. Had it for 2.5 yrs. Sold it in March 2009 for $44K.

I have now bought, and am awaiting delivery, on a Skoda Octavia vRS - exactly the same engine & gearbox (dsg) as the MkVI golf gti. Need a family car!

I know that the vRS is not directly comparable to the GTI, but they obviously have similarities.

I really like the the way the vRS drives and handles as a front wheel drive car with little/no torque steer & it turns in really well too. I would say that in and around town the vRS doesn't feel that much slower than the R32.

But, it is a completely different experience in the R32. I know it has been said several times over, but the sound of the R32 is just awesome. I would liken it to going to the movies and watching the same movie with and with out the sound effects. The dialogue, story line and characters are still all the same, but I bet you'd enjoy one more than the other.

It is a pure sensory thing and although the objective driving experience may be no better, and possibly better in the GTI, the subjective driving experience is what matters - especially around town away from the race track.

The only question that needs to be asked is, irrespective of price, what car is going to leave you with a smile on your face every time you get out of it? The R32 did it for me

[lawsy82]

I had a Black MkV R32. 3dr, dsg, sunroof etc. Had it for 2.5 yrs. Sold it in March 2009 for $44K.

I have now bought, and am awaiting delivery, on a Skoda Octavia vRS - exactly the same engine & gearbox (dsg) as the MkVI golf gti. Need a family car!

I know that the vRS is not directly comparable to the GTI, but they obviously have similarities.

I really like the the way the vRS drives and handles as a front wheel drive car with little/no torque steer & it turns in really well too. I would say that in and around town the vRS doesn't feel that much slower than the R32.

But, it is a completely different experience in the R32. I know it has been said several times over, but the sound of the R32 is just awesome. I would liken it to going to the movies and watching the same movie with and with out the sound effects. The dialogue, story line and characters are still all the same, but I bet you'd enjoy one more than the other.

It is a pure sensory thing and although the objective driving experience may be no better, and possibly better in the GTI, the subjective driving experience is what matters - especially around town away from the race track.

The only question that needs to be asked is, irrespective of price, what car is going to leave you with a smile on your face every time you get out of it? The R32 did it for me

$44K seems like a cheap price - especially for a 3 door as these are rare and look heaps better in 3 dr IMO. How did u find the DSG in the R32?? I have never driven a DSG before, but the few im looking at are DSG... Was fuel consumption as bad as everyone is saying? My MK5 GTI, I would get around 550klms on a full tank

There is people asking like $45K for a 3 yr old R32 - hard to tell em they are dreaming... Id say if I can pick one up for like $38K that would be a great buy. Give her a ECU upgrade and that may do me

[Dubya]

He did order a GTI but changed his mind due to delays (which aren't even delays when the car cant even be built until Feb!)

Tell us something we don't already know! But why are you having a go at the OP? His ordering practices are hardly your concern, are they?

So he either didnt ask the question about delivery when he ordered in November, or he was lied to by the dealer about estimated delivery.

Not our concern, is it? Lawsy's present concern is deciding between a new GTI and a used R32 and I contributed my deux centimes as sought from the membership.

He's already exaggerated about how many options he chose vs cost so who knows.

Why the aspersions? Are you on some kind of vendetta, elisiX?

...there is plenty of information available on this forum and many others for him to make a decision. ... Anyone can do a simple search I am sure to read about this exact argument.

Why do you care? There is absolutely no harm in Lawsy and everyone else on this forum having the convenience of the latest views (which many, including you, appear more than willing to contribute) which compare the R32 with the Mark VI GTI (and there would be much less side-by-side commentary on those two models).

What is it to me? Mate wake up to yourself. This thread took a turn when you decided to call the R32 an abomination which was not necessary.

It was only my opinion, mate!

As far as the thread taking a "turn", I expressed my view at the outset (reply #2) and if nothing else it provoked spirited defences of the R32 which provided precisely the sought of information Lawsy would find most enlightening.

Expressing opinions is one of the main purposes of this forum. Spirited debate is a lot more interesting anyway, and that is what we got! I gather that bothers you.

While the R32 is an abomination to my way of thinking (primarily for its fuel consumption and specific power of just ~58kw/l against the GTI's 78kw/l), it seems it is also a much-loved and thrilling-to-drive abmomination!

So rather than telling me to "wake up to myself" for providing a polarising opinion on this forum you should stop telling other people what to say and do and let the conversation flow freely (especially when I and others were on topic with our R32/GTI comments and you with your Audi suggestions were less so).

Anyway, it is probably one of the more interesting and lively threads and debates in recent months (apart from your tiresome complaints and ill-advised directives to "stay on topic" and suggestion to search the whole damn forum instead of enjoying a revisit of the topic by engaging in an up-to-the-minute discussion now!).

[Dubya]

Didn't expect you to get upset about it, people muck up the quotes all the time (I went to the trouble of fixing it so chillax).

The point is you copied your own post from another thread saying how the "R32 is an abomination" which could come across as trolling.

I have no interest in trolling (whatever that is, but I can well imagine, I just did not realise you were the self-appointed troll police).

It just so happened my post from yesterday was exactly on point and while I did not copy it exactly, why retype it?

While I was not "upset", nonetheless, no one likes being misquoted and you seemed to be so put out by me recycling my own work that instead of just hitting "quote" on my post today you went to the trouble of copying my post and your reply from the day before in a different thread (in Mark V!) in its entirety, for reasons best known only to you.

Are you sure you have not been trolling?

I have no idea why you would care if I or anyone else repeated a comment today that they made yesterday elsewhere and used the copy function to save time doing so.

You seemed to take some glee in pointing out I had "copied" from another post when ironically you were the only one who had done so.

It seems the dobber done himself in.

It would be nice if posters stopped telling others what to do; showed some respect and stopped casting aspersions. All very low-brow.

[elisiX]

Dubya .. You can actually have an informative conversation without being rude pricks to each other. It's unnecessary. The people on this forum are those whom i'd like to catch up with at GTG in the future so i'm not about to start being rude for the sake of it. I'm no stranger to online flame wars either (had a few in my time online), but one thing i've learned in the past 10 years is that your e-penis is never as big as you might think it is.

I clarified the fact that he had purchased then cancelled his order as you made comment that he was simply tossing up the options between a MKVI GTI and MKV R32. By cancelling the GTI, dont you think he made that decision. For the short term at least.

As for me being on some form on vendetta?.. you must be joking right?. The OP made comment about buying 'every option' and set the notion in play that he was in fact working with a significantly (10k+) higher budget. The initial responses to the OP were along the lines of saving money if he were to in fact go with an R32. I simply mentioned this to which the OP responded if you read up a few posts.

I think you have missed my point to some extent. Nothing wrong with comparing vehicles which many people, not just Lawsy might be considering in the current market/environment. However there's no need to make blanket uninformed comments such as referring to the R32 as an 'abomination'. The response in relation to this comment alone stands for itself.

Sure, i'm not the boss of you.. feel free to do what you like - everyone is entitled to an opinion, but dont be so surprised when I respond and go on a quoting rampage. Am happy to put this down to a difference of opinion and let it be. As I mentioned earlier, I hope to meet with many of you guys in the future and I certainly dont want to start on the wrong foot.

[thezoneR32]

$44K seems like a cheap price - especially for a 3 door as these are rare and look heaps better in 3 dr IMO. How did u find the DSG in the R32?? I have never driven a DSG before, but the few im looking at are DSG... Was fuel consumption as bad as everyone is saying? My MK5 GTI, I would get around 550klms on a full tank

There is people asking like $45K for a 3 yr old R32 - hard to tell em they are dreaming... Id say if I can pick one up for like $38K that would be a great buy. Give her a ECU upgrade and that may do me

I picked mine up for $38k so it is possible. Was a private sale-3dr-blue-dsg-30,000km. I think I got a really good buy tho. The guy had moved overseas and needed the cash. It meant I could afford to spend some $ on some nice mods-gps-haldex-apr flash etc.

DSG is an awesome but of kit but you really need to drive it for a couple of months in manual mode to get the jist. The R32 is not great on fuel but thats the price you pay for good honest (na) low down torque.

This thread is fun can someone please shoot me down in flames now?

[backdoc]

$44K seems like a cheap price - especially for a 3 door as these are rare and look heaps better in 3 dr IMO. How did u find the DSG in the R32?? I have never driven a DSG before, but the few im looking at are DSG... Was fuel consumption as bad as everyone is saying? My MK5 GTI, I would get around 550klms on a full tank

There is people asking like $45K for a 3 yr old R32 - hard to tell em they are dreaming... Id say if I can pick one up for like $38K that would be a great buy. Give her a ECU upgrade and that may do me

DSG is great 99% of the time. I know I'm stating the obvious but it's not a manual so it has it's compromises. But I ordered my new car with it!

The fuel use I thought was good considering the performance. 7.5L/100km on long trips and 10.5L/100km around town. 98RON adds up but most good cars need it.

[Dubya]

DSG is great 99% of the time. I know I'm stating the obvious but it's not a manual . . .

Isn't it an automated dual clutch manual?

[backdoc]

Isn't it an automated dual clutch manual?

Gosh, picky picky in here! I think you know what I meant. Not a traditional manual in the sense of..................no clutch pedal! I'm pretty sure you knew that though

[Corey_R]

There is people asking like $45K for a 3 yr old R32 - hard to tell em they are dreaming... Id say if I can pick one up for like $38K that would be a great buy. Give her a ECU upgrade and that may do me

The way you're talking, I think you really need to do some more research first. The R32 is not a GTI. NA cars are completely different to Turbo cars. You can't apply any of the research you've done on upgrades for the GTI to the R32.

Just look at the APR page for the R32 ECU upgrade. They don't even bother telling you how many extra KW you're getting. Because you get basically none extra! Your power just comes on earlier and you get a moderate amount of additional torque. Which is probably why the ECU update for the R32 is half the price of the GTI, cause it's such a small difference!